bane + gyro is awkward to lane against for sure but if ur bat u can just go jungle.

Bat is also super good at contesting pulls you just firefly them from behind the trees type idea. And supports can't actually trade harass with you most of the time cuz u just tar them and get thwacking, assuming they can't just outright kill you (rarely the case with bane

)

If you are radiant offlane you can also pull the big camp to the wave. with firefly you clear it decently fast too.

fdsdfg

United States1251 Posts

May 20 2014 17:57 GMT

#17242

On May 21 2014 02:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
bane + gyro is awkward to lane against for sure but if ur bat u can just go jungle.

Bat is also super good at contesting pulls you just firefly them from behind the trees type idea. And supports can't actually trade harass with you most of the time cuz u just tar them and get thwacking, assuming they can't just outright kill you (rarely the case with bane

)

If you are radiant offlane you can also pull the big camp to the wave. with firefly you clear it decently fast too.

Thanks, this is exactly what I wanted.

Xxazn4lyfe51xX

United States976 Posts

May 20 2014 19:42 GMT

#17243

On May 21 2014 02:23 fdsdfg wrote:
I'm playing offlane, let's say Batrider. I'm against a trilane of Wd/Bane/Gyro. They are pulling into the small camp every chance they get.

I feel like they can harass me out of exp range while letting gyro get all the CS he wants. I feel like I have almost no options here - if I try to get near the creeps, Bane can set up an easy kill on me. I don't have the muscle to harass them away. What are my options? What should we as a team do?

If you really can't even get xp, go jungle. Have your supports stack camps for you.

CuddlyCuteKitten

Sweden2917 Posts

May 20 2014 19:57 GMT

#17244

Has the recent changes to Medusa changed the way you play her? I liked Dusa even before 6.80 but usually it feelt like you needed stats early on and had to choose between splitshoot and snake.

Just looking at the changes mana shield is so incredibly buffed I feel you might not need the extra point in stats early on and that 1 point in splitshot while maxing snake should let you start clearing jungle effectivly as soon as you have the regen.

Edit: looking more one point in stats early is probably still very good.

RuiBarbO

United States1340 Posts

May 20 2014 20:29 GMT

#17245

On May 20 2014 15:50 Arisen wrote:
As a melee carry in the safe lane, how do you deal with an offlane medusa? This is the first time I've played versus it (mostly people use 2-1-2 setups at my level), and her mystic snake really wrecked me and took a ton of my health so I had to back off the creepwave and lost a lot of farm. I was playing Faceless void and my support was leshrac. I went Poor Man's Shield>Wand>Midas; Should I just be flying a ton of salves out and delay my midas by a ton? I'm really lost.

In theory if it's a solo Medusa then you and your support should be more than she can handle. Mystic snake is annoying but hard for her to sustain at early levels and Leshrac should have zoned her out by autoattacking or even stunning. Also, if she activates mana shield then every time you attack she loses more mana. If you really need to you can also buy a casual ring of regen.

govie

9334 Posts

May 20 2014 20:43 GMT

#17246

I would not go wand or pms before midas, it makes the midas less efficient.

Maybe you had problems lasthitting with all the snakeharras and chose too still go for delayed midas after wand and pms anyway. I think void doesnt need manaregen that early and the heal from a charge is not the equivalent of 1 round of snakeharras anyway, thats 600g wasted on stats and the wrong choice for a greedy late midas, 1550g = 2150g wasted on shit that doesnt contribute to farmsustainability. I think i would have gone for a mask or RoH before a PMS upgrade, the wandupgrade and the midas.

trenchadviceforfree

DCLXVI

United States729 Posts

May 20 2014 20:55 GMT

#17247

If you buy, use and then sell an item within a few seconds does it not sell back for full price? I think I did that with a bottle today.

oo_Wonderful_oo

The land of freedom23126 Posts

May 20 2014 20:56 GMT

#17248

On May 21 2014 05:55 DCLXVI wrote:
If you buy, use and then sell an item within a few seconds does it not sell back for full price? I think I did that with a bottle today.

If you used bottle, you can't sell it for full price.

DCLXVI

United States729 Posts

May 20 2014 20:57 GMT

#17249

Is that for all items, or just a bottle?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

May 20 2014 20:57 GMT

#17250

As soon as you use an activatable item it sells for half price (aka bottle, bkb, dagon, mana boots, blink, whatever). Passive regen items (ring of regen, etc) can be purchased, held for the sell-back duration, then sold for full price while benefitting from the HP regained.

I dunno about damage items but I'd assume it isn't relevant lol.

PS somebody somewhere has a video of them running into the side shop, not having mana to TP to safety, buying a energy booster to give them enough mana and then selling it once they finished TP'ing to base (so gosu).

DCLXVI

United States729 Posts

May 20 2014 21:01 GMT

#17251

Interesting, I always thought you could buy a blink at the side shop, blink and tp home, then sell it for full price. I thought I saw that in a video a long time ago.

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

May 20 2014 21:10 GMT

#17252

If Illusions only benefit from damage given by stats, does damage from stats items also get decreased by the same amount base damage is decreased?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

May 20 2014 21:11 GMT

#17253

That IS base damage dude

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

May 20 2014 21:13 GMT

#17254

On May 21 2014 06:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
That IS base damage dude

Stats from items are included as base damage?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

May 20 2014 21:17 GMT

#17255

Yes

Hence if u do 100 dmg as an agi hero, and you buy a bfly, you will see "130 + 30" where the 30 agi gave u 30 base damage and the 30 flat dmg gave u flat dmg. Ur illusions would do whatever percent of 130 dmg, ignoring the flat 30.

Attackspeed functions similarly, although without the same display queues.

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

May 20 2014 21:18 GMT

#17256

On May 21 2014 06:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes

Hence if u do 100 dmg as an agi hero, and you buy a bfly, you will see "130 + 30" where the 30 agi gave u 30 base damage and the 30 flat dmg gave u flat dmg. Ur illusions would do whatever percent of 130 dmg, ignoring the flat 30.

Attackspeed functions similarly, although without the same display queues.

Thanks a lot.

Orome

Switzerland11984 Posts

May 20 2014 21:19 GMT

#17257

On May 21 2014 05:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
I dunno about damage items but I'd assume it isn't relevant lol.

You can buy/sell rapiers to do Rosh more quickly! I saw Burning do it in a pub once, super risky, but quite effective.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

May 20 2014 21:26 GMT

#17258

I mean once u get the rosh why sell the rapier? And if ur that rich u could just buy something else to do rosh fast? lol

Still thats mega next level and pretty cool.

DCLXVI

United States729 Posts

May 20 2014 21:28 GMT

#17259

On May 21 2014 06:19 Orome wrote:

Show nested quote +

You can buy/sell rapiers to do Rosh more quickly! I saw Burning do it in a pub once, super risky, but quite effective.

Casually buys a rapier because he can't kill rosh fast enough when he has 6k gold in the bank?

If you accidentally finish an item that can be split, can you immidiately split the item and then sell the part back?