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On May 19 2014 19:40 Dead9 wrote:just buy your own wards if noone else will, a bottle and a set of wards is 800g which is the same as a soul ring here's a game by bulba, watch him lane against viper. notice how he doesn't walk in for lasthits until the last second, and he spams fire breath via bottle crow. he also draws creep agro by rightclicking puck every now and then + Show Spoiler +
I might have to try bottle and just guessing or buying wards with bottle quickly. As for bottle crow, I don't know about you, but people will cancel and jack the courier for normal item runs most times around my level; no way most teams would let me get away with using the courier so much.
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A PL in my game just went Skadi.
Turns out Skadi effect does not work on PL illusions, why does it work on TB illusions?
edit: maybe it doesn't work on TB illusions and i've always just assumed it does? :O
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Skadi is not used by illusions. Though ranged illusions will still show the visual particle, which is probably what confused you.
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On May 20 2014 04:19 Laurens wrote:
A PL in my game just went Skadi.
Turns out Skadi effect does not work on PL illusions, why does it work on TB illusions?
edit: maybe it doesn't work on TB illusions and i've always just assumed it does? :O
Doesn't work on any illusions. It's just a really good item for illusion based heroes and meepo because how much stats it gives.
Also Skadi is the best item in the game so no wonder the PL went for it.
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I see, thanks.
Any particular reason why diffusal DOES work? Or just arbitrary Icefrog decisions?
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On May 19 2014 20:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 20:32 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
Question 1: Why does Viper slaughter pubbies? Seriously he is probably the best pubstomper in the game.
Question: Just got ranked MM yesterday (also my first rampage). Anything I need to knows/learn from the transition of pubbies to ranked?? Because Viper is probably strongest mid in game currently if you're playing soloqueue, especially with fall of Obsidian Destroyer and lack of Razor. Also he's just sick in 2v2 situations, he might not have best scalings in game but oh boy, dare you to underestimate 6-slotted Viper in late game. Nothing, publics are same to rankeds. They were different in first 2 days after ranked introduction, when everyone was tryharding and 0 randoms in all pick mode. Now it's same, but you just lose/win points in rankeds. But pls. If you're playing ap, don't random in rankeds. That's it.
Ahhhhh. I hate going mid so I usually go bot with my friend (who plays support) which gives me so many kills that it generally makes up for mid XP advantage.
Okay, next questions
1: Viper seems to be a rare pick in pro games, why?
2: Why is Veno ALWAYS banned/picked in pro games?
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veno isnt banned/picked now, he was during 6.80. it also depends on the region, different regions uses different heroes to some extent.
viper is usually picked as an anti-carry with mid-game presence (early mek when played in mid)
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As a melee carry in the safe lane, how do you deal with an offlane medusa? This is the first time I've played versus it (mostly people use 2-1-2 setups at my level), and her mystic snake really wrecked me and took a ton of my health so I had to back off the creepwave and lost a lot of farm. I was playing Faceless void and my support was leshrac. I went Poor Man's Shield>Wand>Midas; Should I just be flying a ton of salves out and delay my midas by a ton? I'm really lost.
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lesh should've harassed medu to death. a simple time walk -> lesh stun would've leave him in the red if not dead. medusa's right click early game isn't that high
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Hello - Juggernaut!
I remember IceIceIce played him off/hard lane solo. Also ZSMJ.
Are there anyone out there that like to play him like this? (Thinking pubs mostly)
I would love to see some replays and perhaps a dotabuff acount if that is possible.
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Thanks a lot!
Would love to see more! 
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In a Tiny+VS safelane against an offlane Clinkz, is there anything we can do to stop the Clinkz? He just farmed freely and killed us if we came anywhere close. I felt like I didn't have any power at all as VS.
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On May 21 2014 01:04 DoucheyPoochie wrote:
In a Tiny+VS safelane against an offlane Clinkz, is there anything we can do to stop the Clinkz? He just farmed freely and killed us if we came anywhere close. I felt like I didn't have any power at all as VS.
How did he survive a stun combo? Magic missile + avalanche and a few right clicks should be more than enough to kill him.
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yeah u just kill him a bunch he has like 400hp at level 1. you stun -> tiny stuns -> rip clinkz. If he goes invis level 1 then he can't cs or harass you at all cuz he does like 40 base damage so you jsut hit him. If he goes arrows level 1 then he can't escape so you just throw abilities at him. Eventually he'll get xp etc but he should be far behind you at that stage.
ALWAYS buy sentries at the start as a support even if there aren't any invis heroes unless you are the solo support (and even then you should consider it). Also blocking the safe-lane creeps is very important now as the other team's offlaner can get 2 free levels if he wins the block.
PS: Use detection pre-emptively as VS since ur stun is disjointed if the baddy goes invis.
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On May 21 2014 01:04 DoucheyPoochie wrote:
In a Tiny+VS safelane against an offlane Clinkz, is there anything we can do to stop the Clinkz? He just farmed freely and killed us if we came anywhere close. I felt like I didn't have any power at all as VS.
Buy dust and kill him? The stuns and tiny combo should be able to 1shot the clinkz. There shouldnt be any way that your losing that lane?
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Well, I guess I should've bought vision at the very beginning, I didn't even pay attention at the picks. And I know that chaining stuns it should be enough to kill him at level one, but I couldn't communicate with Tiny and after a certain point he just died to the orb. No need to be so condescending.
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Tiny has awful armor early which is rough vs clinkz harass yes. Knowing pubs the tiny probably bought a quelling instead of a stout shield too lol.
Even without detection you should be able to be aggressive super-early and force him to shadow walk, then abuse the pull and keep him in invis all the time. However, It's definitely rough trying to lane vs an invis offlaner if you don't come prepared.
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I'm playing offlane, let's say Batrider. I'm against a trilane of Wd/Bane/Gyro. They are pulling into the small camp every chance they get.
I feel like they can harass me out of exp range while letting gyro get all the CS he wants. I feel like I have almost no options here - if I try to get near the creeps, Bane can set up an easy kill on me. I don't have the muscle to harass them away. What are my options? What should we as a team do?
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