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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
May 14 2014 14:37 GMT
#17121
The best advice I can give is don't be selfish and adjust to the game.
No one is warding? buy wards. No one is buying mek? Buy mek.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 15:32:33
May 14 2014 15:31 GMT
#17122
What's the best way to deal with Chaos Knight / Phantom Lancer etc. Was in a game yesterday where I just had 7 Chaos Knights blink on top of me.. is there anything that dispels illusions or gives sight of the real one or anything like that? Or do you just need to start piling up AOE damage/effects to kill them all fast?

As Tinker I just spam March and rockets and eventually it cleans everything up. But as other heroes I have no idea. Typically I play Tinker, Sniper, Clockwerk, Abaddon, Storm Spirit, Ursa
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 14 2014 15:37 GMT
#17123
Specific heroes interact well with illusions (think kunkka for tidebringer), otherwise AoE things like shivas (especially on tinker) are very helpful at figuring out the right one since the fakes take more damage.

Basically damage all of them and the tankiest one is real

Note that Medusa ult instagibs illusions afaik, and OD orb almost universally 1-shots illusions as well.

against PL ur goal is to kill him a lot before his illusions become relevant lol since before he has a lot of items his illusions actually do nothing.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 14 2014 15:48 GMT
#17124
LC overwelming odds is pretty good at a CD of 18 seconds. It does 25% damage to illusions in a big AOE.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 14 2014 15:49 GMT
#17125
There is no way to get true sight of the real one. There are some heroes with abilities that kill illusions instantly (lion mana drain, enchantress enchant are particularly good). If you are really having problems you can get mjolnir. Out of the heroes you listed:

sniper: get mjolnir, pray ck is bad enough to not just murder you first every time.
ursa: you can mjolnir i guess, but you are just going to have a bad time late game vs them no matter what you do. kill them a lot as soon as you get blink
abbadon: you should be focused on supporting teammates so moot point
storm: don't zip in until you know which one is real
clock: cogs kill illusions, but other then that clock isnt going to do shit. gank a lot at 6.

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Baelov
Profile Joined January 2014
United States7 Posts
May 14 2014 15:49 GMT
#17126
So i saw NAR| brax go safelane solo brew, and get like a 7min blink with brown boots. was wondering if anyone could explain when this item build for brew is good, and when you should draft brew in the first place.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 15:58:11
May 14 2014 15:51 GMT
#17127
Naw dude if u blink earthshock with ursa u can discern the real one in a hurry. Storm is similar u can zip in and remnant + overload autos and then go on the real one. It depends how farmed u are obviously.

The rest are mostly right. Don't forget u outrange most shit as sniper and there are no natural ranged illusions heroes except TB so just maintain distance lol.
On May 15 2014 00:49 Baelov wrote:
So i saw NAR| brax go safelane solo brew, and get like a 7min blink with brown boots. was wondering if anyone could explain when this item build for brew is good, and when you should draft brew in the first place.

Brew usually wants a solo lane to get his ult asap, and while mid is the "traditional" lane it can be safelane or even offlane depending on lineups.

Blink + brown boots is fine if ur farming well and don't need to try to kill ur opponent. If ur not farming that well or really need to pressure ur opponents you'd probably upgrade ur boots. Phase synergize really well with the guaranteed crit but mana boots let u spam ur nuke a lot more. Note that at level 7 you can't actually clap -> ult without some sort of mana boost (okay 2 gg branches is enough) so brew is incredibly mana constrained. Without like a CM or Kotl or some shit you are gonna need either bottle (better as a mid hero) or mana boots IMO.

Brew is a fairly strong laner vs melee and a sick teamfight winner. Draft him when you need a ton of power from minute 8 to minute 20 since that's when he can Blink -> clap -> ult 1 vs 2 and still get a kill or even 2 and get out he's so strong lol. He's like a tidehunter in teamfights except instead of relying on his team for damage he does all the damage himself as well. and they lowered the CD on his ult
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totalpigeon
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 21:35:26
May 14 2014 21:33 GMT
#17128
If the enemy was carrying a bottle with an illusion rune, the illusions it creates will always have an empty bottle. If you get a chance to click through them before any take damage sometimes that can help discern the real hero.

Obviously this isn't helping a lot with PL or CK but it's still slightly relevant.
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
May 14 2014 22:16 GMT
#17129
I recently started playing captains draft whenever I ranked solo queue (~3000 mmr). For the most part I have found it much more enjoyable than ranked all-pick, both in terms of team mates being more communicative as well as having interesting, varied hero combinations.

However, I just looked at my record and so far it is abysmal. So I was wondering if anyone has pointers for captains draft (especially as a solo queuer)? Power-climbing ranks is not the biggest priority to me, but winning a little more would be nice.

I usually try to captain, but will let someone else if they insist. If not captain I will try to provide input during the draft. As captain, I generally try to give players the heros they ask for if I can think of a way that makes sense (under the assumption that they are likely to play better on heros they are most familiar with). Other than that I usually try to prioritize picking up the good supports from the pool early on. I would be interested to know if other cd players agree with these or not, and if there are other basic rules people follow when drafting.
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
hhehehhuehue
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia2 Posts
May 15 2014 00:33 GMT
#17130
My question is: Who was phone ?

User was warned for this post
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Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
May 15 2014 00:45 GMT
#17131
so where is the quote button on liquiddota? i feel like its gonna be somewhere really obvious and i am just blind for not seeing it
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
May 15 2014 00:46 GMT
#17132
It's at the bottom left corner of your post, below your quote if you have one.
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KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
May 15 2014 06:04 GMT
#17133
On May 15 2014 09:45 Tsutchie wrote:
so where is the quote button on liquiddota? i feel like its gonna be somewhere really obvious and i am just blind for not seeing it


They need to change the color so that you can actually see it, but the location is pretty good.
Black.Tea
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany22 Posts
May 15 2014 09:00 GMT
#17134
I recently started playing captains draft whenever I ranked solo queue (~3000 mmr). For the most part I have found it much more enjoyable than ranked all-pick, both in terms of team mates being more communicative as well as having interesting, varied hero combinations.

However, I just looked at my record and so far it is abysmal. So I was wondering if anyone has pointers for captains draft (especially as a solo queuer)? Power-climbing ranks is not the biggest priority to me, but winning a little more would be nice.

I usually try to captain, but will let someone else if they insist. If not captain I will try to provide input during the draft. As captain, I generally try to give players the heros they ask for if I can think of a way that makes sense (under the assumption that they are likely to play better on heros they are most familiar with). Other than that I usually try to prioritize picking up the good supports from the pool early on. I would be interested to know if other cd players agree with these or not, and if there are other basic rules people follow when drafting.


I am at around your MMR level, so I'm not sure in how far this advice will actually be helpful or correct, but CD is probably my favorite mode and it's been a long time since I lost a game in which I actually drafted. I largely agree with your points - i found that, at least at my level, it's super important that people are comfortable with the heroes they play. While I don't always draft what people want (although I try to go for it), i will often ask if they are ok with my choice or, if not, whether any alternatives work for them (which also tends to improve atmosphere) - "I want a tanky support, you okay with abaddon or tide?".

Beyond that, it tends to pay off to pick heroes which can be high-impact in a pub setting without requiring too much execution. Wraith King is probably the current prime example, but I also found Mirana supremely effective (yeah you need to land arrows but as long as you keep shooting them, some will land and people don't tend to pay nearly enough attention to the power of the ulti). If you want to draft heroes with higher skill requirements, make sure people can play them first (have had some bad experiences with Kunkkas who refuse to level/use X).

Only other rule I follow is to try and ban those heroes that can either completely take over the game if they snowball and thus ruin the whole strategy (nightstalker, storm, sometimes clinkz) or those that can splitpush me to death (as people tend to not be very good at playing against splitpush at my level): prophet most of all.
Cerberus2589
Profile Joined December 2013
83 Posts
May 15 2014 12:28 GMT
#17135
Why do lower level trilanes fail so badly? I'm at around 3.4K MMR and almost all trilanes that have been done vs a dual lane have failed either by:

- Carry not being able to farm well because one support goes off to pull while the other support can't zone the enemy dual lane easily
- Enemy team out levels your team because their supports are always higher level

What do these players need to do better in order for this to be more successful?
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
May 15 2014 12:39 GMT
#17136
On May 15 2014 21:28 Cerberus2589 wrote:
Why do lower level trilanes fail so badly? I'm at around 3.4K MMR and almost all trilanes that have been done vs a dual lane have failed either by:

- Carry not being able to farm well because one support goes off to pull while the other support can't zone the enemy dual lane easily
- Enemy team out levels your team because their supports are always higher level

What do these players need to do better in order for this to be more successful?

That is not a simple question simple answer

Simply put, pressure.
When it's a 3 v 2, the 3 needs to be able to kill the 2 heroes consistently and force them out of lane, then go pull/roam other lanes for more efficiency. The core of this is the "need to be able to kill the 2heroes". Without that kind of threat, just staying 3v2 in lane is not going to work and your going to fall behind, like you said.

A trilane with no ability to threaten kills is not a trilane. It's just going to ruin the laning stage. That is the major mistake I find most trilanes make.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 15 2014 12:48 GMT
#17137
On May 15 2014 00:49 Baelov wrote:
So i saw NAR| brax go safelane solo brew, and get like a 7min blink with brown boots. was wondering if anyone could explain when this item build for brew is good, and when you should draft brew in the first place.

Brown boots -> Blink is ok on safelane. Will have to be careful about your mana useage more and probably not a recommended build vs instant mana burners like nyx.

You can draft Brew pretty much anytime tbh. But the best is like a midgame oriented team because he falls off a bit lategame.

Only dangerous heroes are like Doom and Disruptor imo but even then they are not super hardcounters. Brew is a strong laner, and very easy to gank for. I found it strange that it took this long for him to get picked again and he is doing very well in the qualifiers. Initiation is such a big part of playing Dota and he's one of the best heroes in the game for just that so.

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Cerberus2589
Profile Joined December 2013
83 Posts
May 15 2014 13:05 GMT
#17138
On May 15 2014 21:39 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 21:28 Cerberus2589 wrote:
Why do lower level trilanes fail so badly? I'm at around 3.4K MMR and almost all trilanes that have been done vs a dual lane have failed either by:

- Carry not being able to farm well because one support goes off to pull while the other support can't zone the enemy dual lane easily
- Enemy team out levels your team because their supports are always higher level

What do these players need to do better in order for this to be more successful?

That is not a simple question simple answer

Simply put, pressure.
When it's a 3 v 2, the 3 needs to be able to kill the 2 heroes consistently and force them out of lane, then go pull/roam other lanes for more efficiency. The core of this is the "need to be able to kill the 2heroes". Without that kind of threat, just staying 3v2 in lane is not going to work and your going to fall behind, like you said.

A trilane with no ability to threaten kills is not a trilane. It's just going to ruin the laning stage. That is the major mistake I find most trilanes make.


Sorry I just didn't think it'd be worth making a thread over . Thanks for the reply!
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
May 15 2014 13:32 GMT
#17139
What's the timing for stacking the medium camp below radiant middle lane ?
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
May 15 2014 13:33 GMT
#17140
I think you misunderstood, im just saying that this is too complex a question for a simple answer haha. It's totally fine that you asked here btw!
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