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OtomPotom
Croatia10 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:56 OtomPotom wrote: How come windrunner (still haven't come to terms with wind ranger) isn't used in competitive anymore? Out of fashion. Shes still as strong as ever, she just doesn't fit the metagame atm. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:56 OtomPotom wrote: How come windrunner (still haven't come to terms with wind ranger) isn't used in competitive anymore? Hero pools are way bigger right now, Windrunner is still picked often. Thing is that when she came first, she was right of the bat sub to PotM. Then suddenly Playmate won unwinnable game for MYM when they came back from having 100 hp Frozen Throne with Alleria who was dpsing more than Drow Ranger, so people start to put Windrunner in #1 position as well. Then in DotA 2 days, wild EGM and crew appeared who uses WR almost exclusively as support. You can't ignore hero who can fill every position from 1 to 5, it's too hard. There are just bunch of heroes who're better in every position, while WR is good overall. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On April 01 2014 13:48 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: Just played a game where the Radiant ES stacked like 50 creeps in their woods for top lane and they had axe just farming waves and waves of our units. How the hell do you stop that? He had literally 50-60 creeps in the trees trapped. ES has to put a lot into it to do that, and it's super high risk on his end because he's sacrificing all experience and gold gain without actually denying any. It is also super obvious what's going on the moment you see their creep wave fail to show up, and while it isn't ever exactly safe to shut it down, it isn't safe to let him amass a creep wave that is going to push with an angry axe that has levels into your team, which doesn't. Generally you want to go to where he's blocking and cancel his clarities, cut trees down if you've got spells to do so, or just poke him. It's a level 1 earthshaker that can't really afford to fissure you, so as long as you're not engaging him alone whoever he left in lane shouldn't be able to leave the tower and fight you. If you disrupt him and only let him stack two or three waves at most, you should be fine. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Whatever you do, you want to do it early. If the partner gets a couple of levels off your waves before you work out what's going on, they can kill you when you finally contest. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
 So, now im looking for the option to mute myself permantly, except chatwheel and pinging for missing and pinging the map. Is it possible to mute textposts, as i could not find a way in the options. I tried leaving the buttonchoice for texting blank but that didnt seem possible. Maybe some setting in the autoexec? | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8947 Posts
depending on your skill level (how much better you are than your opponent), you can react differently. if you are confident that you can outplay your opponents then just pick a strong solo killer (usually a mid hero) and just kill people everywhere. the correct response to this would still be to split the map because it still forces you to commit multiple heroes to kill 1 core when 2 other cores are farming, leading to your team getting slowly outfarmed. but if the opponents are bad then they will just get scared and either group up or push halfway and then retreat, so that their split pushes arent really much of a threat anyway. if you think you cant outplay your opponents alone, then the only answer is to communicate with your team. either wait for someone to appear in a lane and pick him off, force a fight with smokes or 5 manning a lane etc. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On April 01 2014 18:21 LeeDawg wrote: this is a hugely vague question, but what would be an ideal, general strategy, to use against a team that wants to split push you to death. I keep losing games vs heroes like furion who have great map presence and push down sidelanes all day. I keep trying to get my teams to stop chasing them around in circles but the mentality in pubs seems to be to just defend. I'm mostly been playing Krobelus lately, so I've tried to get my teams to do a group counter push down mid lane, but usually one or two allies will maybe go with me, which doesn't have good results. Its quite hero dependent. What you want is generally long range initiation/invis initiation heroes that can kill the splitpusher solo or setup a kill on him. Then use the time with him being dead to generally push mid or sometimes a sidelane and try to accomplish something before hes back to his splitpushing business again. Storm, Clock, Bat, Spirit Breaker comes to mind as really good heroes. Riki/BH/Nyx are all good too. If no hero like that is available you hopefully at least have a good blink/sblade hero that can accomplish the same. A shadowbladed Doom is great for example. Or maybe a Slark or LC. You also have to be smart about where you try to gank him. It can often be hard to reactively go to the lane he's in and try to kill him because by the time you get there he's probably ported to the other side. So the ganker/gankers might have to sort of hide behind one of your side lane waves as they push out to try to catch him as he ports there to push it back in. Be proactive about where you think hes going. Theres also a few typical BoT heroes thats ok. Tinker obviously, but a bunch of other can make it work too. You push down mid as 4 while the BoT-hero tries to counterpush whatever lane the prophet is pushing hardest, then when the other 4 reach the enemy base he BoTs in and joins. Its more risky and more "all-in" than killing the splitpusher since if you lose the fight you might have the prophet at your door 10sec later with 5 down, but its an option. BoT heroes are also good for joining in on a kill setup by someone else (say, a BH scouts the prophet out and as the BH engages someone else BoTs and helps secure the kill). If you dont have any similar option or just bad heroes to deal with it, you might just have to tighten your defenses and sit in your base and hope they overcommit, die and you can counter push. Often it comes down to whether you can make your "doom push" work and kill their base in one go. Its annoying (and probably fails more often than not) but sometimes theres little else to do. Overall you should also consider mobility/initiation items more when facing splitpushers. Blink/Sb/BoT could definitely be higher priority than what it normally is depending on your hero. For DP specifically, you cant really do much else than BoT. You're a good counterpusher though so going with the strat where you push out lanes and then BoT to join your team offensively might work. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On April 01 2014 17:51 govie wrote: I got muted for 24h and somehow i enjoyed dota more when i could not rant so much So, now im looking for the option to mute myself permantly, except chatwheel and pinging for missing and pinging the map. Is it possible to mute textposts, as i could not find a way in the options. I tried leaving the buttonchoice for texting blank but that didnt seem possible. Maybe some setting in the autoexec?Maybe some self control? Equally as applicable outside of Dota too. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
edit: oh it does cool, gamepedia: Only attacks from heroes (Meepo clones included, but not illusions) can damage the sun. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 01 2014 19:50 ahswtini wrote: Maybe some self control? Equally as applicable outside of Dota too. oh pls. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On April 01 2014 20:01 Shock710 wrote: does each meepo hit on the phoenix ulti count properly? pretty sure it does but just wanna confirm edit: oh it does cool, gamepedia: Only attacks from heroes (Meepo clones included, but not illusions) can damage the sun. I tried to think of other exceptions on this and thought of Brewmaster. Interestingly his ult cannot harm Phoenix's egg at all. None of the spirits are considered hero units so their attacks do not count. Predictable if you're used to Brewmaster, but I thought I'd share anyways. I love the way Phoenix interacts with other heroes. On the one hand Meepo can tear through a phoenix ult in no time; on the other hand the large AoE damage and aoe attack speed slows are huge issues for Meepo to deal with. | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
No, really. I don't think there is a function like the one you want, because when would it ever be desired? Using the chat is optional as it is, why would programmers place an option to disable it? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On April 02 2014 00:40 hefty wrote: No, really. I don't think there is a function like the one you want, because when would it ever be desired? Using the chat is optional as it is, why would programmers place an option to disable it? You could always just mute everyone every game | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
Are there any good advice to rank up in solo queue? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 02 2014 01:21 llIH wrote: I play offlane. Are there any good advice to rank up in solo queue? Phoenix. Then more Phoenix. .... And more. . Repeat. | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On April 01 2014 17:51 govie wrote: I got muted for 24h and somehow i enjoyed dota more when i could not rant so much So, now im looking for the option to mute myself permantly, except chatwheel and pinging for missing and pinging the map. Is it possible to mute textposts, as i could not find a way in the options. I tried leaving the buttonchoice for texting blank but that didnt seem possible. Maybe some setting in the autoexec?Remove the enter key from your keyboard. What else do you need it for in dota? =p | ||
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