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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 15:18:52
March 17 2014 15:17 GMT
#16161
Wonder how IceFraud buffs lina in 6.81.

@wonderful: no, lina's animation is the literal definition of godawful the worst.
And any half decent enemy can play aggro tricks enough to fuck up a lasthit delayed as much as lina's have to be, so "practice with it" doesn't even apply.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 17 2014 15:19 GMT
#16162
Going from last hitting with Pyromancer in HoN to last hitting with Lina was sad. Very very sad.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
March 17 2014 15:23 GMT
#16163
On March 18 2014 00:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wonder how IceFraud buffs lina in 6.81.

@wonderful: no, lina's animation is the literal definition of godawful the worst.
And any half decent enemy can play aggro tricks enough to fuck up a lasthit delayed as much as lina's have to be, so "practice with it" doesn't even apply.


It's like you're contesting creeps with Lina support :D
Except for denies, and Lina has 49 base damage or something like that without branches, so it's legit.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 15:27:28
March 17 2014 15:24 GMT
#16164
On March 18 2014 00:15 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Every animation can be considered decent if you have some experience with it imo.

In which case, it's silly to name it as an advantage like you did. Because there's no way that a 0.75 frontswing can be considered better than any other hero's. You could argue that it's not a disadvantage when you're used to it, fine, but there's not really any way you can say "she has an amazing attack animation" like it's a unique advantage of the hero.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 17 2014 16:03 GMT
#16165
It is easy to hit stuff with lina, probably because of her absurd range. I would consider her autoattack good. The bad animation doesn't matter so much especially since lina is usually support and doesn't care so much about lasthitting in the first couple of minutes.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
March 17 2014 17:01 GMT
#16166
lina's awful animation just makes it all the more satisfying when you get the last hit / deny :D
:)
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
March 17 2014 19:26 GMT
#16167
Thank god it wasn't just me then, and standing there for 3/4s of a second before you chuck fire -is- actually bad, and not amazing as otherwise advertised.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
March 17 2014 20:05 GMT
#16168
It's kind of hilarious when you're harassing though. 650 range plus ridiculous frontswing and slow travel speed means if they start backing up when you wind up, you can end up hitting them at 1k plus range xD
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8947 Posts
March 17 2014 22:46 GMT
#16169
linas animation is shit. it doesnt matter how much experience you have at last hitting with him, because when youre trading hits with someone you will always get hit first. good luck trading hits against a wr that can kite your attack range while youre swinging your stupid arms around. or maybe youre up against a clock and he manages to get close enough to battery you
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 23:44:40
March 17 2014 23:44 GMT
#16170
On March 18 2014 07:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:
linas animation is shit. it doesnt matter how much experience you have at last hitting with him, because when youre trading hits with someone you will always get hit first. good luck trading hits against a wr that can kite your attack range while youre swinging your stupid arms around. or maybe youre up against a clock and he manages to get close enough to battery you


Yeah, no. Longest base range in the game doesn't give you any trouble harassing. If clock walks up to you, you cancel your attack, move back until he starts taking damage by creep and/or he turns around himself, and you hit him on his way back. If you get caught by a melee, slow windup is the least of your worries.

Btw, you can't "kite" something that has longer range than you. Thats the exact opposite of kiting. Kiting is shooting and running while you're opponent can't reach you. If wr tries to attack you, you do the same as with clock. Move a step back, and toss a shot or two when she decides to turn around because of the creep damage. To be exact: you're kiting her.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
March 17 2014 23:48 GMT
#16171
what is the best item build for AM? I have seen people say that BF is awful for him, is it because he gets squishy?
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Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
March 17 2014 23:52 GMT
#16172
What Excludos said. wonder is right that 650 range is pretty sicknasty. Her animation is pretty awful, but if clockwork is covering 500-some-odd units of distance in her 0.75s foreswing then the lina's done something really wrong beforehand.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
March 18 2014 00:06 GMT
#16173
On March 18 2014 08:48 ilbh wrote:
what is the best item build for AM? I have seen people say that BF is awful for him, is it because he gets squishy?

is because it's hard to get it at a proper timing in pubs :c pros get it usually around 12min mark? i think. and if you are pubbing, 20min is okayish (if its a pub)

also Burning Build AM to counter the squishiness (but sacrificing team fight capability) is that he goes 1-1-1 into stats.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 18 2014 00:06 GMT
#16174
On March 18 2014 08:48 ilbh wrote:
what is the best item build for AM? I have seen people say that BF is awful for him, is it because he gets squishy?

Treads, BF, Manta, then Heart/Abyssal/Butterfly in any order basically, selling treads for travs OFC, and the last slot only fills once u lose aegis
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
March 18 2014 01:03 GMT
#16175
Most the time, if the am has freefarm, (or close to it) to get a decent BF timing, just skip the treads and get it after bf
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 01:25:58
March 18 2014 01:23 GMT
#16176
On March 18 2014 10:03 Shock710 wrote:
Most the time, if the am has freefarm, (or close to it) to get a decent BF timing, just skip the treads and get it after bf


If you have literall freefarm, the team can do without you, and you're not afraid of ganks, you can even skip basic boots. Mostly not a good idea in pubs.

Treads first is a good core for most people until they are capable of assessing when it can be delayed.

And to comment on the original question: bf is the correct way to play him in pubs as well. Even if it's a bit late, your farm will skyrocket. AM is capable of being the second fastest farming carry in the game, and in lategame he absolutely crushes the one who is (alchemist). So thats the goal you want to aim for with him. You're also more likely to be left alone with your amazing farm in pubs(which is the root of all the comics with a 40 min left-alone AM coming out of the trees exlaming "the fun ends here!"). I can not fathom any reason why you'd want to let go of that and..do what exactly? Turn him into a second rate midgame fighter?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
March 18 2014 01:31 GMT
#16177
On March 18 2014 09:06 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 08:48 ilbh wrote:
what is the best item build for AM? I have seen people say that BF is awful for him, is it because he gets squishy?

is because it's hard to get it at a proper timing in pubs :c pros get it usually around 12min mark? i think. and if you are pubbing, 20min is okayish (if its a pub)

also Burning Build AM to counter the squishiness (but sacrificing team fight capability) is that he goes 1-1-1 into stats.


You should always skill legs from 1.0 to 1.9 as soon as you can. One leg is just not enough..
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
March 18 2014 02:35 GMT
#16178
On March 18 2014 10:31 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 09:06 icystorage wrote:
On March 18 2014 08:48 ilbh wrote:
what is the best item build for AM? I have seen people say that BF is awful for him, is it because he gets squishy?

is because it's hard to get it at a proper timing in pubs :c pros get it usually around 12min mark? i think. and if you are pubbing, 20min is okayish (if its a pub)

also Burning Build AM to counter the squishiness (but sacrificing team fight capability) is that he goes 1-1-1 into stats.


You should always skill legs from 1.0 to 1.9 as soon as you can. One leg is just not enough..


Max legs to 4 for assured victory.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 18 2014 02:46 GMT
#16179
Treads pre bf is better even in free farm.
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 05:11:31
March 18 2014 05:10 GMT
#16180
On March 18 2014 11:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
Treads pre bf is better even in free farm.


How?* You have free-farm for the next x minutes, assuming once you no longer have free-farm you transition into the jungle, where BF+regen comes in handy. You can't put a number on just how long the enemy will sacrifice the lane for you.

*I may have worded this badly
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