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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 11:46:15
March 14 2014 11:45 GMT
#16061
On March 14 2014 12:50 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Guys, what are good time stamps to get tinkers items? Assume that it's all pick and we start with 3 branches and a tango.
I usually get the bottle at the 1:30 mark, soul ring at around 3 minutes in. However, I have a hard time getting my BoT and I get it at around 15 minutes in, that has been my biggest challenge so far, getting BoT faster. Then of course my dagger and sheepstick is late. I'm still having a hard time last hitting with tinker.


If you're pulled wiht tangos, go bottle/boots of travel/soul ring at 13-14, that's legit even if you were killed 1-2 times.
But to be honest, 7-8 minutes for bots is classic.
After it your farm explode and you can get dagger in ~3 minutes.
BUT PLEASE.
Can all Tinkers stop doing this shit when they're pushing all 3 lanes so other 4 guys in team should divide 3 camps in jungle, because Tinker is getting literally everything?
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Harbinger_of_llamas
Profile Joined March 2014
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 16:22:40
March 14 2014 16:15 GMT
#16062
I have been trying this build with skadi on sniper. It makes him tanky enough to survive being jumped on in teamfights, and the transition into manta makes you do insane damage. I ussually go phase yasha skadi manta. Any thoughts?
edit: mostly asking because all the pros play him and go full glass cannon builds and I'm wondering why this is not seen As a viable build
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Fizzy
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden388 Posts
March 14 2014 16:31 GMT
#16063
On March 15 2014 01:15 Harbinger_of_llamas wrote:
I have been trying this build with skadi on sniper. It makes him tanky enough to survive being jumped on in teamfights, and the transition into manta makes you do insane damage. I ussually go phase yasha skadi manta. Any thoughts?
edit: mostly asking because all the pros play him and go full glass cannon builds and I'm wondering why this is not seen As a viable build


You kinda want sniper to be a glass cannon, the hero is not supposed to be taking the heat in fights. However in public games you cant rely on your team to support you well enough in fights to let you stand and attack freely, thus some kind of survivability is needed.

I usually go for Phase -> Drums (for some hp and extra movespeed) -> Yasha -> Manta. This gives me damage, extra pushing power, a way to remove certain debuffs and a bunch of hp aswell.

After these items you will probably want to pick up even more damage, Desolator / Mjolnir, crit / mkb etc or even Butterfly will suffice.

But to be honest i rarely play sniper at all since i see the hero as kind of flawed unless as previously mentioned, you have a good team that lets you play the hero the way its supposed to. So i am no expert. However i feel that playing sniper comes down to more how you play it, than what items you get. You can probably get any combination of items and make it work, the hard part is being able to position urself in fights well enough that u wont get jumped on or easily focused.

Ps. Im currently sitting at 5.1k so im not some kind of pro, but i have enough experiance for you to atleast consider my reply :p
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 16:36:47
March 14 2014 16:36 GMT
#16064
sniper needs some sort of escape / bkb / survivabilty, i don't know if skadi is "viable" - the buildup is really long, doesn't increase in your farmspeed i don't think a fast skadi is a good option but if you have a good start and complete it fast it is really powerful but in a normal game it seems to hard to farm it. I have seen a lot of dagger / forcestaff on heros like drow or sniper recently but also not fast rather as 3rd/4th/5th item instead of a bkb.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 16:56:17
March 14 2014 16:54 GMT
#16065
I always thought part of the reason for glass cannon builds is that sniper doesn't really scale particularly well in terms of damage from abilities. The attack range is great of course, but doesn't contribute actual DPS to a pitched fight other than letting you sit there and auto-attack, but that's something characters with a BKB can usually do as well. Headshot is a 40dmg/attack boost when you average out the proc chance so it's not exactly scaling in a stellar way. The main thing he offers in auto-attacking, other than the flexibility of the increased range, is the chain ministun from headshot. So you really want to be able to capitalize on that, otherwise why play sniper.

In terms of defensive items then you're in a weird spot right? Manta sort of wastes the illusions a bit if your other items are focused on attack speed (and probably a crit blade in there at some point), Skadi is skadi, and BKB is expensive with little offensive power. The glass cannon builds make sense to me because you're trying to hit the point where you're bursting people down from range early enough that you're peaking before other carries, but later than a single item, and anything that slows that progression down really needs to pay off to be worth it. To me it seems like BKB is the one you'd want if you need a defensive item even though it's expensive; it's reliable enough to probably be worth it. Manta seems like it's not enough to make sniper have a big punch like it is on other heroes who use it as more of a core item and you can get more punch out of 2 other cheaper offensive items if you need.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 14 2014 17:05 GMT
#16066
Skadi is a good 5th~ item on sniper.

But i'd get other items first.
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Harbinger_of_llamas
Profile Joined March 2014
13 Posts
March 14 2014 17:18 GMT
#16067
One thing you forget when you say that skadi build has not enough dmg, is manta. You are building stats, so the illusions Make your dmg output suprisingly good. I will admit that its only really good vs bkb carries and initiators that can get to you during teamfights like puck or storm.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
March 14 2014 17:31 GMT
#16068
On March 15 2014 02:18 Harbinger_of_llamas wrote:
One thing you forget when you say that skadi build has not enough dmg, is manta. You are building stats, so the illusions Make your dmg output suprisingly good. I will admit that its only really good vs bkb carries and initiators that can get to you during teamfights like puck or storm.


Arent PT's better for illusions then PB? Just a thought, if you go the illusionroute because your team lacks pushingpower then PT seems more logical if im correct.
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Harbinger_of_llamas
Profile Joined March 2014
13 Posts
March 14 2014 17:50 GMT
#16069
i used go treads, but it kind of gimps you early, especially if you are mid. Not having any damage kind of sucks, and phase is also better for kiting when you get skadi.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 14 2014 18:04 GMT
#16070
yeah phase is almost always better, it's much stronger in lane and midgame
skadi's not bad as a 2nd or 3rd item after yasha and/or hotd
it makes you really tanky and you can slow pretty much whoever you want in teamfights
also if anyone jumps you you can just hit them until they die
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 18:27:13
March 14 2014 18:26 GMT
#16071
On March 15 2014 02:31 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 02:18 Harbinger_of_llamas wrote:
One thing you forget when you say that skadi build has not enough dmg, is manta. You are building stats, so the illusions Make your dmg output suprisingly good. I will admit that its only really good vs bkb carries and initiators that can get to you during teamfights like puck or storm.


Arent PT's better for illusions then PB? Just a thought, if you go the illusionroute because your team lacks pushingpower then PT seems more logical if im correct.

yes with treads illu get 2 more dmg and 8% more attackspeed, so relevant.
all in all sniper is more about the enemies not having 'jump in ur face' heroes, if they dont have any of these enjoy ur ez game and get any build
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
March 14 2014 18:31 GMT
#16072
If your ally disruptor casts kinetic field, can you vacuum heroes into it / out of it?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 14 2014 19:15 GMT
#16073
why are 3/1/1 lanes still so popular?
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
March 14 2014 19:35 GMT
#16074
On March 15 2014 04:15 zlefin wrote:
why are 3/1/1 lanes still so popular?


Because the metagame in pubs is constantly 6 months to a year behind the proscene..
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 19:36:38
March 14 2014 19:36 GMT
#16075
On March 15 2014 03:31 KOFgokuon wrote:
If your ally disruptor casts kinetic field, can you vacuum heroes into it / out of it?


Yes. Its a very decent combo.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 20:00:07
March 14 2014 19:59 GMT
#16076
On March 15 2014 04:15 zlefin wrote:
why are 3/1/1 lanes still so popular?


Because you provide shitload of free farm to your carry, control the map and rotate smoother than 2-1-2 laning phase.
But you still need to execute it well, it's no mean free win especially after previous patch with new creeps equilbrium.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 20:03:04
March 14 2014 20:02 GMT
#16077
On March 15 2014 04:35 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:15 zlefin wrote:
why are 3/1/1 lanes still so popular?


Because the metagame in pubs is constantly 6 months to a year behind the proscene..


Who doesn't want it to be 3-1-1 when you can offlane phoenix!

Plus 3-1-1 ensures farm for your carry when they may not be skilled enough to get it otherwise and you have more opportunity for kills if your opponents are sloppy at all.
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 14 2014 20:13 GMT
#16078
Can you give enemies your items?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 14 2014 20:16 GMT
#16079
On March 15 2014 05:13 hariooo wrote:
Can you give enemies your items?


Yes, but they will be muted and unable to use them.
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 14 2014 20:19 GMT
#16080
On March 15 2014 05:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:13 hariooo wrote:
Can you give enemies your items?


Yes, but they will be muted and unable to use them.


Like that's a bad thing lol. Brb picking Riki to donate tangos in rosh pit.
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