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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:04 jrkirby wrote: How does the backdoor protection system work? I've seen it in action before, but I'm not sure what triggers it. creeps have to be close to the tower. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
How close? On all towers? Does it have to be your creeps near their tower? | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:20 jrkirby wrote: How close? On all towers? Does it have to be your creeps near their tower? The backdoor protection triggers rely on rectangular regions in dota1 rather than a specific range (and I don't have a means to find out how large they are). Tier 1 towers do not have backdoor protection and yes it has to be your creeps. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
Can you give me approximate sizes for the region, like is it half the lane, or much smaller than that? Does BD protection ever work on T4 towers? | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Cyx.
Canada806 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:39 jrkirby wrote: So you could theoretically protect your towers by sneaking behind the enemy team and quickly killing their creeps when they want to push (if they are in front of their creeps, waiting for the next wave)? Is there a certain grace time after the creeps die where BD protection doesn't come back? Can you give me approximate sizes for the region, like is it half the lane, or much smaller than that? Does BD protection ever work on T4 towers? IIRC backdoor protection is enabled if there are creeps or creep corpses around, so... not sure exactly how long but if you can still spawn little troll skeletons you should still be able to hit without backdoor protection ^^ | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:50 Cyx. wrote: IIRC backdoor protection is enabled if there are creeps or creep corpses around, so... not sure exactly how long but if you can still spawn little troll skeletons you should still be able to hit without backdoor protection ^^ Oh, that makes tons of sense! | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:20 jrkirby wrote: How close? On all towers? Does it have to be your creeps near their tower? I can't answer that question, sorry  | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:20 jrkirby wrote: How close? On all towers? Does it have to be your creeps near their tower? It's about the range of the siege creep from what I can tell. It's all buildings except tier 1 towers and yes it has to be your creeps. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:39 jrkirby wrote: So you could theoretically protect your towers by sneaking behind the enemy team and quickly killing their creeps when they want to push (if they are in front of their creeps, waiting for the next wave)? Is there a certain grace time after the creeps die where BD protection doesn't come back? Can you give me approximate sizes for the region, like is it half the lane, or much smaller than that? Does BD protection ever work on T4 towers? Yes you can. Corpses last 15 to 20 seconds which is your grace period. The JASS for the backdoor protection are determined by if creeps are in a certain region; it doesn't say how big said regions are although I will guess that it is maybe 700 range around the tower. For the base, if a creep enters highground then the entire base loses backdoor protection. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 31 2013 08:50 Targe wrote: Thanks guys! I guess I'll swap to Tranquils -> Treads -> Aghs -> Blink as my default, I was finding my timing window for ganks to be quite small so that's great to know! I'll drop the QB and move to a Stout as well, I thought his high starting armour would be enough. Still don't think I'm quite ready to take him -cm yet though. You should get Aghs before Treads. No point in getting Tranquils if you're just going to build up to a different boot immediately. All of you Meepos can use the Tranquil active, so it's really good to jungle with the Meepos, using Tranquils to heal between camp, to farm Aghs...and after Aghs you can jungle easily without Tranquils. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 31 2013 09:51 jrkirby wrote: BD protection is just regeneration right? Is it possible to be out-DPSed? How much regeneration is it approximately? On June 30 2013 05:46 TheYango wrote: It varies based on which tower it is, whether you're doing physical or magical damage (because towers have armor but no magic resistance), and whether the damage source is a hero or not (because the amount of damage dealt to Fortified armor is different based on the attacking unit's damage type). Towers have 90 HP regen/sec and take 25% reduced damage when BD prot is active, and T2/T3/T4 towers have 20/25/30 armor respectively. Assuming you're using a hero and doing purely physical damage, this means you need a raw DPS of 528/600/672 between all attacking heroes to outdamage BD prot on T2/T3/T4 towers respectively. Note this math is slightly different if illusions are involved, because Illusion damage is reduced further by BD prot than other sources of damage. took me a while to find that post lol edit: When should you consider Necronomicon as an item choice? I know it's good for pushing, but it seems like it is too expensive and comes into play too late to make it useful for just pushing unless it is rushed. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 31 2013 11:34 Whole wrote: You should get Aghs before Treads. No point in getting Tranquils if you're just going to build up to a different boot immediately. All of you Meepos can use the Tranquil active, so it's really good to jungle with the Meepos, using Tranquils to heal between camp, to farm Aghs...and after Aghs you can jungle easily without Tranquils. Another change then, yeah I was using Tranquils to farm jungle (it make it so much easier!), only thing I've noticed is that some of the meepos can get low on mana from poofing to clear camps, would the best way to resolve this just be to have someone with arcanes nearby? | ||
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Rodberd
Germany531 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 31 2013 21:29 Rodberd wrote: 2 meepos can clean 1 camp on their own, so you could replace the low mana meepo with the original one and send the other back to base for refill. poof him back and all should be fine 1 meepo can clear 1 camp too, so you can have 2 meepos clearing 2 camps, I kinda feel like I'm not using the hero to it's potential if I clear them as a 2. Same thing with sending 1 back, I feel like I'm wasting time where I could be getting XP. I could try farming with one and stacking with another I guess? | ||
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Ryder.
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
I mean, I don't play Meepo often enough, so I'm sure you can find a more efficient way, but this is what I do when I do end up picking or randoming him. I definitely feel that it is inefficient as well. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:43 Ryder. wrote: Why is Tusk never picked competitively? Such a fun hero to play. Sometimes fun to play and competitively viable are mutually exclusive. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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