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On July 31 2013 02:47 TheYango wrote:
From a pure stats/utility perspective, Wraith Bands/Drums into Manta is more practical, though Shadowblade is still good at the MMR where people are inconsistent about buying detection.

6-slot Juggernaut is pretty impractical to talk about because of how many routes there are to getting there. You'll see a lot of different ways to end up with 6 major items on Juggernaut depending on what people got along the way.

On July 31 2013 03:08 Whole wrote:


Well yea, it seems that me and my friends advanced to the MMR where we can reasonably expect invis detection...but all of us are still clinging on to a few bad low-level pub habits.



I suppose I should've just asked what I really wanted to know. I just don't know what items are actually good on carry Juggernaut. I seem to be stuck in the same situation with Juggernaut where we'll get a huge advantage but not being able to break tier 3s, so the Jugg has to transition into a late game oriented build (and hopefully hit an earlier big item timing for the win). But really, the only good late game item for Jugg I can think of is Butterfly. Of course, MKB is good versus evasion, but are there any optimal damage choices for Jugg after Butterfly? Or is it actually entirely situational?

I know all items should be thought of as a game by game basis, but I'm trying to find the item for Jugg in the situations where he just need more straight up damage after Butterfly.

On July 31 2013 03:08 Whole wrote:


Well yea, it seems that me and my friends advanced to the MMR where we can reasonably expect invis detection...but all of us are still clinging on to a few bad low-level pub habits.



I suppose I should've just asked what I really wanted to know. I just don't know what items are actually good on carry Juggernaut. I seem to be stuck in the same situation with Juggernaut where we'll get a huge advantage but not being able to break tier 3s, so the Jugg has to transition into a late game oriented build (and hopefully hit an earlier big item timing for the win). But really, the only good late game item for Jugg I can think of is Butterfly. Of course, MKB is good versus evasion, but are there any optimal damage choices for Jugg besides Butterfly? Or is it actually entirely situational?

I know all items should be thought of as a game by game basis, but I'm trying to find the item for Jugg in the situations where he just need more straight up damage.

On July 31 2013 02:44 PassiveAce wrote:
I like to get shadowblade on heroes that can set up crazy shit with it. Kunkka can set up a devastating aoe combo

On July 31 2013 03:19 Mataza wrote:

Hit everyone with tidebringer = combo?
Because his other spells benefit jack all from a shadowblade, with the huge range and delay they have.

Also hardcarry juggernaut is questionable. He has only crit as a dps tool and his only killing tool is his ult. For kills without that he lacks lockdown or mobility skills. Also you can't really skip BKB if going classical dps, as your bladefury is not a substitute.
I really like aghanims on him because it makes his strong ulti even stronger.
Something like travels, manta, agha, satanic +2 items would be a suitable lategame for juggernaut imho.
Can slowly push high ground towers with manta, can take teamfights with agha and healing ward.

On July 31 2013 04:14 CrtBalorda wrote:
If a person has a deniable debuff placed on them but also has an undenieable debuff placed on them (battle hunger + doom) can they be denied?

On July 31 2013 04:18 Targe wrote:
Anyone have any tips on Meepo? I've picked him up real recently.

I'm starting with two branches, quelling blade, tango and circlet -> Tranquils -> Mek -> Treads -> Blink -> Aghs and that's working all right I think, but is there anything more that I wouldn't know about him?

I'm getting to be quite good with the blink+poof combo (TAB +W etc.) and I've read lots of guides but you guys will know better than me.

On July 31 2013 04:18 Targe wrote:
Anyone have any tips on Meepo? I've picked him up real recently.

I'm starting with two branches, quelling blade, tango and circlet -> Tranquils -> Mek -> Treads -> Blink -> Aghs and that's working all right I think, but is there anything more that I wouldn't know about him?

I'm getting to be quite good with the blink+poof combo (TAB +W etc.) and I've read lots of guides but you guys will know better than me.

On July 31 2013 06:04 Andr3 wrote:

Early mek into blink, with PT's is super good for ganking. But it's situational, generally you just wanna go aghs->blink and then depending on the enemy lineup go for ac/heart/skadi. Heart if it's mostly magical dmg, AC if the enemy team has rly insane -armor and people on your team benefit from it a lot as well. Skadi is an item that's really good vs a lot of physical heroes as it gives the most EHP in that regard. Stacks with geostrike as well so it can be pretty powerful.

Ideally you want someone else to make a vlads/ac/mek but again it's situational and you gotta check the enemy lineup, your lineup and how the game is going on. Eblade can work sometimes too but it's kinda cheesey and I would only get it as a second major item after aghs/blink. It's pretty good vs heavy hitters like PA/void etc.

And you probably shouldn't start with a QB. Meepo does have terrible base dmg but not getting a stout will get you punished unless you have total freefarm. You have pretty good armor but you almost always want a stout or at least a RoP start into tranqs. One thing to note is that, you want to get PTs asap because tranqs when broken really suck with the terrible movement speed. But it's okay because RoR/RoP can be made into a vlads.

On July 31 2013 05:23 Whole wrote:

I don't think you need Mekanism. It is definitely good, but I think it delays Blink Aghs too much. Also you need to swap Aghs and Blink based on the game. If the enemy team is 5 manning, you'll want Aghs before Blink. If you can still blink gank before the enemy starts to 5 man, get the blink first. I think Aghs first is safer if you're unsure. Also I swap Tranquils for Treads after Aghs because it really helps jungling for farming up the Aghs (the Aghs is needed ASAP no matter what build you're doing).

After that just get Hearts and EBlades (most +stats) and a Vlads if you wanna hit a timing.