EPTSoul Ring gives no combat stats, so it essentially has to pay for itself based on winning your lane. If it does not make back its value in how much better you do in lane (e.g. if you are 2v1 or 3v1 and you get to freefarm regardless of whether you get Soul Ring or not), the stats don't really do anything for you once laning is over.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Soul Ring gives no combat stats, so it essentially has to pay for itself based on winning your lane. If it does not make back its value in how much better you do in lane (e.g. if you are 2v1 or 3v1 and you get to freefarm regardless of whether you get Soul Ring or not), the stats don't really do anything for you once laning is over. | ||
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Cirn9
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
heal first, then deduct | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On July 17 2013 10:19 TheYango wrote: Pretty much. Soul Ring gives no combat stats, so it essentially has to pay for itself based on winning your lane. If it does not make back its value in how much better you do in lane (e.g. if you are 2v1 or 3v1 and you get to freefarm regardless of whether you get Soul Ring or not), the stats don't really do anything for you once laning is over. It means you're never out of mana though. Pubs are more focused on individual play, and generally more hectic with constant fighting. What's the alternative to regen if you're playing a hero like PL or Sven and dont want to depend on your supports for mana. Stats through drums maybe? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's a great habit to have that you will see quite a few high level players use, but is woefully absent from lower level play. People end up spending way more on a regen item on some of these heroes than what they would spend if they just bought a few clarities over the course of a game, for pretty much the same practical result. On July 17 2013 11:26 Dead9 wrote: you cant coil yourself heal first, then deduct It's actually bugged right now in DotA 2 to do the self-damage before the heal/harm effect. There's a report on the Dev forum about this. | ||
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lazyitachi
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On July 17 2013 09:56 rebdomine wrote: I have a friend who lanes with Soul Ring, Tranq Boots on PL and farms up radiance in about 20 minutes if the game goes well. It's almost like having Ezalor giving him mana. I think we went SD/Jakiro to support him or might've even been SD/Nyx. You shouldn't build Radiance on PL. Radiance PL is an old build from when PL had 2.4 agi growth, used primarly for farming faster by sending one illusion to each jungle spot. Now that PL has a 4.2 agi growth, it's much much better to just go straight for Diffusal Blade. Or Drums->Diffusal, depending on how much early game action there is (which there usually is). | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Rodberd
Germany531 Posts
razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)? what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble? | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On July 17 2013 23:07 Rodberd wrote: just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind: razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)? what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble? The stolen amount can exceed the amount of damage the target has. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
Most of the time in pubs you just want to get Drums + Diffusal, because you will be fighting a lot early. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 17 2013 23:07 Rodberd wrote: just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind: razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)? what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble? he does kitten damage | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On July 17 2013 23:07 Rodberd wrote: just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind: razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)? what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble? A bit confused at the question... What happens to whom? If the target gets enfeebled, razor doesn't really care he'll just drain away. If you're asking what happens to a target that has 50-224dmg when he gets enfeebled, well then he just gets - even more damage... So a target with 50 dmg that gets drained for 224dmg and then hit with lvl 4 enfeeble will have 50 - 224 - 120 damage which should show up as 50 - 344 damage. Which now that I think about it would be the same result even if the order was reversed. I think. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:40 Kraznaya wrote: yo how do u avoid getting orb walked out of lane when ur offlane WR vs solo safe clinkz Stay just in exp range and last hit with powershot, if he goes after you he will lose a lot, and as a solo offlane your role is to get as much as you can while possibly disrupting the safelaners farm. Clinkz can win 1v1 vs you so play super defensive, you will have to catch up once he starts ganking | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Watch his HP as he does this. Orb-walking only helps insofar as it dodges creep aggro, so in a hard trade where you actually pop Windrun, it doesn't actually help him. It only helps him on harassment and lasthitting, so as long as you don't let him get too many free hits on this, you're fine. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:07 TheYango wrote: He also has a way worse animation than you so if he's going for a lasthit, you can often take a free potshot at him and move away before he can cancel his autoattack animation and start an attack against you. Watch his HP as he does this. Orb-walking only helps insofar as it dodges creep aggro, so in a hard trade where you actually pop Windrun, it doesn't actually help him. It only helps him on harassment and lasthitting, so as long as you don't let him get too many free hits on this, you're fine. To be honest, I think you might have a lot of success as a pooled clinkz (with regen) if you stand on the direside of the lane, and literally just harass windrunner if she ever gets in auto attack range. Obviously this puts clinkz in a very vulnerable position for ganks, and he'll miss a few last hits, but I think you'll be able to zone windrunner from last hitting, and she'll only get experience. Not 100% sure about that though. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
at level two you have power shot and his orb will still be the same strenght, use ur mana and dont fail and miss the powershot and you should be ahead. also as in any range vs range, denies are very important. but as wr you should have noproblem with that since clinkz cant orb his own creeps and has low damage + long attack animation. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 18 2013 05:09 Comeh wrote: To be honest, I think you might have a lot of success as a pooled clinkz (with regen) if you stand on the direside of the lane, and literally just harass windrunner if she ever gets in auto attack range. Obviously this puts clinkz in a very vulnerable position for ganks, and he'll miss a few last hits, but I think you'll be able to zone windrunner from last hitting, and she'll only get experience. Not 100% sure about that though. Clinkz can't play this way because 1) it makes what I said even easier (because if the creeps are on the other side of Clinkz, you get a free autoattack every time he goes for a lasthit because he has to cancel his autoattack, turn around, and then start his autoattack on you if he wants to hit back, which is basically impossible with Clinkz's awful animation), and 2) he still loses hard trades at level 1. Trying to zone Windrunner off like that is entirely predicated on Clinkz being a stronger level 1 hero than Windrunner, which isn't even true. In a hard trade, Windrun outtrades Flaming Arrows at level 1. Furthermore Windrunner has a lot of opportunities for free damage if you play this way because if the ranged creep aggros to you based on distance when a melee creep dies, you have to lose aggro or she can outtrade you with the ranged creep hitting you, meaning either way you take some free damage. She also gets to hit you while you're backing up as the next 2 creep waves are oncoming. There's simply no sensible way for you to play that way because a level 1 Windrunner shouldn't be afraid of a hard trade against Clinkz, and gets a lot of free damage on him due to how troublesome it is to deal with being on the far side of creeps even when you have an orb. Clinkz *can* win the lane, but he'd do so normally--it's not so hopeless for Windrunner that Clinkz can just come to lane and play on the far side of the creeps. | ||
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