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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 17 2013 01:19 GMT
#10501
Pretty much.

Soul Ring gives no combat stats, so it essentially has to pay for itself based on winning your lane. If it does not make back its value in how much better you do in lane (e.g. if you are 2v1 or 3v1 and you get to freefarm regardless of whether you get Soul Ring or not), the stats don't really do anything for you once laning is over.
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Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
July 17 2013 02:25 GMT
#10502
How does healing and the damage work from coil on Abaddon. I haven't played him yet, but it says he can deny himself with it. If he is under 125 hp and uses rank 4 coil on himself does it take the hp before healing and kill him or heal first then deduct?
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 17 2013 02:26 GMT
#10503
you cant coil yourself
heal first, then deduct
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
July 17 2013 02:56 GMT
#10504
On July 17 2013 10:19 TheYango wrote:
Pretty much.

Soul Ring gives no combat stats, so it essentially has to pay for itself based on winning your lane. If it does not make back its value in how much better you do in lane (e.g. if you are 2v1 or 3v1 and you get to freefarm regardless of whether you get Soul Ring or not), the stats don't really do anything for you once laning is over.

It means you're never out of mana though. Pubs are more focused on individual play, and generally more hectic with constant fighting.

What's the alternative to regen if you're playing a hero like PL or Sven and dont want to depend on your supports for mana. Stats through drums maybe?
Dodge arrows
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 17 2013 02:58 GMT
#10505
wand + not spending mana outside of fights
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 03:29:38
July 17 2013 03:12 GMT
#10506
And send clarities. Particularly for Strength and Agi heroes who only are gated by mana because of their mediocre Intel growth, it's very easy to just have the courier send a Clarity to you that you just drink when you're farming a lane and not taking damage anyway.

It's a great habit to have that you will see quite a few high level players use, but is woefully absent from lower level play. People end up spending way more on a regen item on some of these heroes than what they would spend if they just bought a few clarities over the course of a game, for pretty much the same practical result.

On July 17 2013 11:26 Dead9 wrote:
you cant coil yourself
heal first, then deduct

It's actually bugged right now in DotA 2 to do the self-damage before the heal/harm effect. There's a report on the Dev forum about this.
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lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 03:15:50
July 17 2013 03:15 GMT
#10507
life below pure damage amount to Aba -> use mist coilz -> deny -> Enemy cry -> Profit?
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
July 17 2013 06:30 GMT
#10508
On July 17 2013 09:56 rebdomine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 09:23 Ratch! wrote:
Is it good to buy Soul Ring on PL?


I have a friend who lanes with Soul Ring, Tranq Boots on PL and farms up radiance in about 20 minutes if the game goes well.

It's almost like having Ezalor giving him mana. I think we went SD/Jakiro to support him or might've even been SD/Nyx.


You shouldn't build Radiance on PL. Radiance PL is an old build from when PL had 2.4 agi growth, used primarly for farming faster by sending one illusion to each jungle spot. Now that PL has a 4.2 agi growth, it's much much better to just go straight for Diffusal Blade. Or Drums->Diffusal, depending on how much early game action there is (which there usually is).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 17 2013 06:51 GMT
#10509
Radiance is still good in a game where you have the room/means to farm it out--it's just that's simply not normally the case in pub games or in competitive games.
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Rodberd
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany531 Posts
July 17 2013 14:07 GMT
#10510
just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind:
razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)?
what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble?
Ooooh, look at it go
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 17 2013 14:15 GMT
#10511
On July 17 2013 23:07 Rodberd wrote:
just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind:
razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)?
what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble?

The stolen amount can exceed the amount of damage the target has.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 17 2013 16:04 GMT
#10512
Radiance on PL is fine if you can grab it in 13-15 minutes due to megafreefarm.

Most of the time in pubs you just want to get Drums + Diffusal, because you will be fighting a lot early.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 17 2013 17:55 GMT
#10513
On July 17 2013 23:07 Rodberd wrote:
just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind:
razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)?
what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble?

he does kitten damage
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 18:05:15
July 17 2013 18:00 GMT
#10514
On July 17 2013 23:07 Rodberd wrote:
just watching the AMD PL and following question came to my mind:
razor drains dmg with his static link. can he drain more dmg than the target has (like drain 224dmg from a 50dmg hero)?
what happens if his target gets hit by banes enfeeble?


A bit confused at the question... What happens to whom? If the target gets enfeebled, razor doesn't really care he'll just drain away. If you're asking what happens to a target that has 50-224dmg when he gets enfeebled, well then he just gets - even more damage... So a target with 50 dmg that gets drained for 224dmg and then hit with lvl 4 enfeeble will have 50 - 224 - 120 damage which should show up as 50 - 344 damage. Which now that I think about it would be the same result even if the order was reversed. I think.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
July 17 2013 18:40 GMT
#10515
yo how do u avoid getting orb walked out of lane when ur offlane WR vs solo safe clinkz
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 17 2013 19:02 GMT
#10516
On July 18 2013 03:40 Kraznaya wrote:
yo how do u avoid getting orb walked out of lane when ur offlane WR vs solo safe clinkz

Stay just in exp range and last hit with powershot, if he goes after you he will lose a lot, and as a solo offlane your role is to get as much as you can while possibly disrupting the safelaners farm. Clinkz can win 1v1 vs you so play super defensive, you will have to catch up once he starts ganking
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:10:06
July 17 2013 19:07 GMT
#10517
He also has a way worse animation than you so if he's going for a lasthit, you can often take a free potshot at him and move away before he can cancel his autoattack animation and start an attack against you.

Watch his HP as he does this. Orb-walking only helps insofar as it dodges creep aggro, so in a hard trade where you actually pop Windrun, it doesn't actually help him. It only helps him on harassment and lasthitting, so as long as you don't let him get too many free hits on this, you're fine.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 17 2013 20:09 GMT
#10518
On July 18 2013 04:07 TheYango wrote:
He also has a way worse animation than you so if he's going for a lasthit, you can often take a free potshot at him and move away before he can cancel his autoattack animation and start an attack against you.

Watch his HP as he does this. Orb-walking only helps insofar as it dodges creep aggro, so in a hard trade where you actually pop Windrun, it doesn't actually help him. It only helps him on harassment and lasthitting, so as long as you don't let him get too many free hits on this, you're fine.

To be honest, I think you might have a lot of success as a pooled clinkz (with regen) if you stand on the direside of the lane, and literally just harass windrunner if she ever gets in auto attack range. Obviously this puts clinkz in a very vulnerable position for ganks, and he'll miss a few last hits, but I think you'll be able to zone windrunner from last hitting, and she'll only get experience.

Not 100% sure about that though.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 20:27:21
July 17 2013 20:23 GMT
#10519
u kinda have to see the lane coming and if you are prepared with proper amount of regen+items even if the clinkz get pooled you should win vs him as wr. clinkz attack animation is godawful and his base damage is low, the clinkz is basically forced to trade hits with you since a clinkz cannot out lasthit a wr. and when it comes to trading blows as long as you are careful not to get a bunch of creeps hitting you, you shouldnt even be at that much of a disadvantage early on, and if clinkz commits and tries for a kill you can always windrun (but you have to make sure you cast it before his projectile starts flying at you)

at level two you have power shot and his orb will still be the same strenght, use ur mana and dont fail and miss the powershot and you should be ahead.

also as in any range vs range, denies are very important. but as wr you should have noproblem with that since clinkz cant orb his own creeps and has low damage + long attack animation.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 20:54:16
July 17 2013 20:50 GMT
#10520
On July 18 2013 05:09 Comeh wrote:
To be honest, I think you might have a lot of success as a pooled clinkz (with regen) if you stand on the direside of the lane, and literally just harass windrunner if she ever gets in auto attack range. Obviously this puts clinkz in a very vulnerable position for ganks, and he'll miss a few last hits, but I think you'll be able to zone windrunner from last hitting, and she'll only get experience.

Not 100% sure about that though.

Clinkz can't play this way because 1) it makes what I said even easier (because if the creeps are on the other side of Clinkz, you get a free autoattack every time he goes for a lasthit because he has to cancel his autoattack, turn around, and then start his autoattack on you if he wants to hit back, which is basically impossible with Clinkz's awful animation), and 2) he still loses hard trades at level 1.

Trying to zone Windrunner off like that is entirely predicated on Clinkz being a stronger level 1 hero than Windrunner, which isn't even true. In a hard trade, Windrun outtrades Flaming Arrows at level 1. Furthermore Windrunner has a lot of opportunities for free damage if you play this way because if the ranged creep aggros to you based on distance when a melee creep dies, you have to lose aggro or she can outtrade you with the ranged creep hitting you, meaning either way you take some free damage. She also gets to hit you while you're backing up as the next 2 creep waves are oncoming. There's simply no sensible way for you to play that way because a level 1 Windrunner shouldn't be afraid of a hard trade against Clinkz, and gets a lot of free damage on him due to how troublesome it is to deal with being on the far side of creeps even when you have an orb.

Clinkz *can* win the lane, but he'd do so normally--it's not so hopeless for Windrunner that Clinkz can just come to lane and play on the far side of the creeps.
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