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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:08 Logo wrote: Stout shield + Basilus maybe? That or QB + Basilus. Helps with mana, but the wolves can't tank since last nerf, and if you tank, even with Stout shield you will need more HP regen. Just a lone tango will last very little. | ||
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
You can buy more clarities/basilus/sage's mask earlier. Even someone like Omni could jungle decently with basilus + stout... Start with degen aura to be hit less and kite a bit, then skill heal after first camp. I don't know, could work. Not really useful, but still. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Basically, can Orchid be a farming item on Tiny? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On July 02 2013 08:07 Saechiis wrote: What's the opinion on Orchid Tiny? It seems counterinituitive but I'm having a lot of succes rushing it after tier 2 boots. The sick build-up and additional mana really helps you farm, I'd say better than a quick aghs since that has a bad build-up and still leaves you in need of a lot attack speed when finished. Ava Toss clears waves and camps faster, so you're only lacking the increased push power and ability to quickly take down stacked ancients, which I feel are better later on in the game anyways. Basically, can Orchid be a farming item on Tiny? I like the idea. The damage portion is still completely cost-efficient, the buildup is smooth and it gives you a very quick clear left right and center. edit: Now that I think about it, it might get awkward because you have no way of engaging fights properly. Boots+Orchid+Blink seems to hit a much weaker timing than Arcanes+Blink and Phase/Drum/Orchid/Yasha is also expensive as fuck for something like this. Not sure if there is a way to abuse tinys insane lvl 8-9 with an Orchid rush at all. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On July 02 2013 08:17 r.Evo wrote: I like the idea. The damage portion is still completely cost-efficient, the buildup is smooth and it gives you a very quick clear left right and center. edit: Now that I think about it, it might get awkward because you have no way of engaging fights properly. Boots+Orchid+Blink seems to hit a much weaker timing than Arcanes+Blink and Phase/Drum/Orchid/Yasha is also expensive as fuck for something like this. Not sure if there is a way to abuse tinys insane lvl 8-9 with an Orchid rush at all. A solution can be found beyond just itemizing. Alternatives could be: Teammates with good ways to force fights, so Tiny can cleanup. Abusing the fact that the other team doesn't want to get anywhere near tiny at 8-9 instead of forcing fights onto them. Tiny is already farming slowly because the entire team picked carries. A slow build (maybe including wards) would be preferential to 0 items. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On July 02 2013 08:28 Saechiis wrote: Shadow Blade? that's still 7k+ for both, arcanes+blink or drums+yasha cost less than an orchid and lets you farm heroes | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8947 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
As a mid game combat item, its competing with items like mek, drum, blink, armlet, etc, one of the latter will take precedence. As a support item, it competes with force staff, ghost sceptre, or just pure hp. On anyone, its probably better to keep saving up to sheep stick - a hard disable is actually important late game, while a soft disable that can be dispelled with BKB/purge/manta or played around with an escape ability just isn't valuable in any sort of game remotely resembling a competitive setting. Also, its stat efficiency only matters on a very few heroes. Most heroes will have their mana issues solved by the point in the game they can afford to buy a 3100 gold item. Without its int, atos is a vit booster + a slow - calling that "weak" is insulting to bloodseeker. On str/agis with their mana issues already solved, atos may as well not have int. Even int heroes have their mana issues solved most of the time, making it just a pure +damage. Often other heroes need even more mana than atos gives and/or need other items. And while there are a few heroes that fully want all the stats it gives (like silencer, skywrath mage, OD), VERY rarely is it worth it over similar items (I don't know skywrath very well, but OD and carry silencer both benefit from a mek for survival purposes, since it just works very well on both heroes, and its very hard to justify buying another mid game item for survival when you often need a BKB anyway and sheep is a more attractive option more pure damage). TLDR: 99.99% of the time you want atos, you want one of drum, mek, force staff, sheep, etc more. + Show Spoiler + Hope I'm still making sense at this point. Stupid biological clock. Sorry in advance if I'm not. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's actually much more suitable for damage-oriented casters that benefit from the pure Int and HP--e.g. Skywrath Mage and Zeus. | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On July 02 2013 20:07 woreyour wrote: Rod of Atos, what do you think about this item? I see it is nice for those int intensive need of heroes like outworld devourer or silencer but who else do you think needs this or whats heroes are good with this? Any Str or Agi heroes who have ideas with? I really like it on Timbersaw. The extra HP is awesome, and when paired with something like a Eul's it really helps your mana problems. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:00 Shootemup. wrote: I really like it on Timbersaw. The extra HP is awesome, and when paired with something like a Eul's it really helps your mana problems. Shredder should just be getting Bloodstone. After that, your mana is handled by maintaining Bloodstone charges. Eul's + Atos spends way too much on stats the hero doesn't want/need. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8947 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Sounds like dagon. ^ this. atos is exactly like dagon in a sense that you only get it when u have an advantage. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
But yeah, Euls is sick. Chain in, toss out an ulti and blow your otehr ability, fly yourself, and by the time you come down all your abilities are up again. Its also a great way to deal with silences (which really screw timbersaw over). Plus your ult can have been out the whole time. Its kinda a shame the "run faster" part does actual nothing on the hero. | ||
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