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pyro19
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:08 TheYango wrote: Shredder should just be getting Bloodstone. After that, your mana is handled by maintaining Bloodstone charges. Eul's + Atos spends way too much on stats the hero doesn't want/need. In most games I play Timbersaw in the offlane and find that my Bloodstone would be delayed due to lack of farm (usually I would get it around 25-30 mins) and the pieces it builds out of don't offer you much before you combine them. Since that is when I am fighting, I really like to build items that help me fight now (Arcane Boots/Wand/Urn -> Atos -> Eul's). Plus the Atos and Eul's are just nice to have. Since Chakram doesn't slow much unless the target has low health, the Atos is nice since it helps hold them down until you can lower their health with a combo. Eul's is really nice if you are being focused in a teamfight, as you can Eul's yourself and Timberchain away, even if you used Timberchain right before. It is entirely possible that I am wrong, but that is just what I have found playing Timbersaw in 6.78. On July 03 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Euls is pretty OK on timber afaik but atos doesn't really do much for him. He needs a dedicated mana item (preferably bloodstone or sheep) not some terrible +20int atos, and the slow is barely relevant because timber is twice as mobile as any hero a slow would affect, plus his ult slows already. The HP is nice but way overcosted (3.1K lol), just buy a bloodstone. But yeah, Euls is sick. Chain in, toss out an ulti and blow your otehr ability, fly yourself, and by the time you come down all your abilities are up again. Its also a great way to deal with silences (which really screw timbersaw over). Plus your ult can have been out the whole time. Its kinda a shame the "run faster" part does actual nothing on the hero. My thought was that combining the +int of the Atos with the +150% mana regen on the Eul's would solve the mana issues, maybe I should try just rushing the Eul's instead of the Atos and sticking with a casual vit booster? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
(If you didn't know, you can disassemble your arcane boots to acquire the energy booster for your bloodstone) | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:27 pyro19 wrote: Does Medusa Ult go through BKB? it does. | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:48 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, if you have arcanes and a "casual vit booster", then bloodstone is only 2950 away. Which is the cost of a euls, essentially. So just go bloodstone. Also, just go casual point booster over casual vit booster. (If you didn't know, you can disassemble your arcane boots to acquire the energy booster for your bloodstone) Good point, I guess I wasn't really considering the cost of the items I was building instead of Bloodstone. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
BKB Butter In no particular order. It depends on how fast you need the BKB and if you can farm 3.3k gold for the eaglesong vs needing the cost-efficient yasha RIGHT NOW. SnY is generally worse than manta because as Riki you traditionally want to manta stuff off of yourself (dust). If you don't want to go BKB and they lack a bounty/slardar and are buying sents/gem over dust, THEN the extra HP from an SnY is legit. Mega-luxury (post butterfly) is probably abyssal. Skadi/Crit/MKB are all rejects since agi scales too well on you and you already have diffusal so skadi's slow doesn't stack. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 03 2013 06:06 Qbek wrote: Manta before bfly in most games. Dispelling dust/silence is way too good when it comes with such great fighting stats You have both Diffusal and BKB. Needing a 3rd dispel past that is actually quite rare unless you've used up your Diffusal charges, and your BKB duration is running low. Manta's primary usefulness is for going high ground, because without Manta illusions, Riki is a poor hero for sieging a base with. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
Anyway, agi is crucial on riki, it gives u 2.25 damage for most practical purposes (don't manfight as riki, you are a STEALTH ASSASSIN ) | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On July 03 2013 06:16 TheYango wrote: You have both Diffusal and BKB. Needing a 3rd dispel past that is actually quite rare unless you've used up your Diffusal charges, and your BKB duration is running low. Manta's primary usefulness is for going high ground, because without Manta illusions, Riki is a poor hero for sieging a base with. Its also just a nice all around item for him - gives a nice Agi pool (which double for him), gives pretty valuable move speed, and a little more survivability on top of the increased dps. A lot of times I would consider Butterfly over Manta, but I've gone to Manta sometimes after BKB. It depends on the situation. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 03 2013 06:46 Whole wrote: Do Manta illusions get Riki's ult? lol Illusions do get the permanent invis passive. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Backstab is physical damage too. After all backstab is conditional and therefore a gimmick. A Butterfly is best case scenario just 97 damage for Riki and all other times just a regular Butterfly. I would prefer a Basher/Abyssal after Diffu + (Butter or Manta). By the time you get there you should be, let's say lvl 16. With your agi from levels and Diffu + Manta, you're sitting at about 120-130 agility already. A Basher can ensure backstabs by stunning the enemy. A Butterfly only increases your agi by another 30 and gives some raw dps. Just talking purely offensive items Abyssal is better thanButterfly. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
Lately I've been feeling that there's no downside to picking an all-carry team and that the team with the supports is at a disadvantage because they just cant compete late game. Currently I'm buying wards when I can and always carry a TP, though maybe I don't TP in to help gank as much as I should. What else can I do? | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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