How to kill Bloodseeker?

On November 22 2012 13:06 Amridell wrote:
I do not what to do against this guy. Every time he's in the game, my team loses. We usually run lanes as this:

Disruptor, KOTL hard lane

Bounty hunter/ Invoker mid

Lifestealer (jungle), Mirana

Rupture just destroys us every game

On November 22 2012 18:27 negon wrote:
By the way using the same lineup for every game is bad, bad, bad and shows that your general game knowledge is probably not very good, which could actually be the issue behind your problems with a rather easily counterable hero such as Bloodseeker. So just try playing more heroes, including the oh so scary BS and see how different heroes and compositions work or don't work together and against each other. Once you start understanding the basic hero interactions, you should also be able to understand how to beat Seeker.

On November 25 2012 18:11 DrLovecraft wrote:
Probably the most useless hero in the current version of Dota

no really, once you know how to play against him, he really can't do anything other than farm items and go late game where you get 6 slots, even then he still cant carry as hard as hard carries

basically he's useless pre 6 other than he can CS really well because harassing him is pointless and he has good base damage

and even when he hits 6, all you have to do is position yourself well, even then that nuke is lack luster as long as you dont run away from him, the only real danger is you getting caught out of position and getting ruptured, in which case any aggressive midlaner can punish much harder, earlier and more frequently, his rupture CD is his only nuke and way to gank

but the thing that really fucks Bloodseeker over is that ... you ready? .... YOU CAN TP AWAY FROM A RUPTURE

he literally has no way of stopping you unless he buys MKB/BASH/HEX or he has team mates with him

compare that to a Tiny who can burst you down from 100-0 in 1 combo or a NS that is Tanky as heck, hits hard and has a 335 nuke/ministun/slow on a 8 sec CD (Rupture has a 70 sec CD btw and only does 150 damage at level 1), you can say Oh just bait out the Void before you safely TP and its a fail gank, WRONG, NS has one of the best EHP gains of any hero especially early and his auto attacks hurt plus he's perma hasted at night

BS's only form of reliable CC is a silence that makes his enemies hit harder LMAO

On November 25 2012 18:11 DrLovecraft wrote:
Probably the most useless hero in the current version of Dota

no really, once you know how to play against him, he really can't do anything other than farm items and go late game where you get 6 slots, even then he still cant carry as hard as hard carries

basically he's useless pre 6 other than he can CS really well because harassing him is pointless and he has good base damage

and even when he hits 6, all you have to do is position yourself well, even then that nuke is lack luster as long as you dont run away from him, the only real danger is you getting caught out of position and getting ruptured, in which case any aggressive midlaner can punish much harder, earlier and more frequently, his rupture CD is his only nuke and way to gank

but the thing that really fucks Bloodseeker over is that ... you ready? .... YOU CAN TP AWAY FROM A RUPTURE

he literally has no way of stopping you unless he buys MKB/BASH/HEX or he has team mates with him

compare that to a Tiny who can burst you down from 100-0 in 1 combo or a NS that is Tanky as heck, hits hard and has a 335 nuke/ministun/slow on a 8 sec CD (Rupture has a 70 sec CD btw and only does 150 damage at level 1), you can say Oh just bait out the Void before you safely TP and its a fail gank, WRONG, NS has one of the best EHP gains of any hero especially early and his auto attacks hurt plus he's perma hasted at night

BS's only form of reliable CC is a silence that makes his enemies hit harder LMAO

On December 08 2012 13:48 plogamer wrote:


He isn't -that- useless. His buff can be great to support a heavy carry that doesn't rely much on abilities like Phantom Assassin. Better even to silence enemy casters by using the buff offensively.

Above all else, he is better than any other hero on mop-up duty. He can hit invisible heroes even without a gem. His speed buff is practically designed for that duty. And self-heal from killing lets him clean up one weakened hero after another. All he needs a ministun from mkb to be able to interrupt teleports. As an agi hero, he will naturally have decent attack speed, especially with treads and mkb. Add a butterfly if filthy-farmed. I would go for bkb personally for the utility.

Heroes with global abilities will pair up great with his passive. Sunstrike that low hp enemy. Line up an arrow!~ Zeuuuusssss, do eeet.

On December 08 2012 16:42 Qbyx wrote:


I'm not saying that BS is a must-pick hero, but by far isn't that useless as you stated. More like situational.
Agains heros like weaver / akasha / storm etc. he can be very usefull. BS with one damage item, can reach 400 dps with high atackspeed, combined with a bkb & a max movements speed ... he will do A LOT of damage in a teamfight. Obviously we can't forget that he is one of the best meele laners.

On November 25 2012 13:37 Cranium wrote:
At mid, Quas Exort Invoker is the best counter to Bloodseeker.

Other than that TPs as stated above, wards and not letting him freefarm at mid. One gank on him at mid should win you the game assuming the rest of his team doesn't carry him.

On December 08 2012 17:55 Mataza wrote:

In which world do you get 400 dps with 1 damage item on BS? Maybe Power Treads/Butterfly with maxed Bloodrage, but then you can´t use a BKB as it removes Bloodrage. That´s his weakness, he can´t actually do autohitdamage and use BKB, giving him 0 applicable autohit skills on a melee autohit carry. He is a worse autohitter than doom.

Anyway, brilliant thread necro here, how about we let this finally die?

On December 09 2012 02:34 Qbyx wrote:


How about not telling incorrect information in that fation?

I said 400 DPS, wich is kind of wrong, because I ment to say damage. That damage with the mentioned item (butter + pt) can be reached around lvl 20, with lvl 4 bloodrage obviously.

The BKB removing the bloodrage is just flat out wrong, SO yes YOU CAN run around at maximum movement speed with 400 damage with BKB activated.

On December 09 2012 07:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually I'd say BS is a better laner than NS IMO. You can't really harass him out of lane unless he's bad at last hitting or you have two heroes. NS is retardedly easy to harass out of lane or at least force him to use void to farm. BS can completely screw you over in the early laning phase just by last hitting everything and getting health off of that.

On December 09 2012 07:56 Unleashing wrote:

Wat, blood seeker deals with harass INCREDIBLY poorly and handles ganks even worse than night stalker does. If you just let him last hit everything and regain the hp he wants, sure.
Night stalker has amazing armor and great base strength and strength gain.

Blood seeker is so incredibly easy to shut down and his laning honestly isn't good, but for some reason pubs rarely go and just deal with the problem the easy way.
Night stalkers ganks are also way more potent and if he's sent mid he just needs boots and levels to make the first night dangerous for the enemies.

Ontop of that, blood seeker NEEDS a good early game/laning to be an even remotely worthwhile hero, night stalker doesn't need amazing farm during the laning to be worthwhile.

On December 09 2012 08:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


Bloodseeker has the same base strength as NS. I agree about all of the points you've made about NS, and NS is stronger against ganks, but BS is a better laner.

In terms of laning capability I'm talking about just sitting there and farming. It's almost impossible to outlasthit a bloodseeker with quelling, and he regenerates health every time he denies too.

It's particularly annoying as invoker with the base damage nerf. Your only real choice is to cold snap him repeatedly and keep sending attacks at him, or hope to get a gank, since your base damage is so low. If he even gets one or two last hits any harass you've done is immediately negated.

On December 09 2012 08:47 Unleashing wrote:

I said nothing about blood seeker's base strength, i know it's the same, but coupling the naturally higher armor with that good strength gain grants night stalker better surviveability.
And i disagree strongly, Blood seeker is horrible in lane and incredibly easy to shut down.
And if you're being outlaned by blood seeker you've either picked one of the few heroes that can't deal with him at all or you're not utilizing all the weaknesses blood seeker has.
My favourite pick against blood seeker is shadow shaman, blood seeker can't deal with constant harassment very well.

He's a bad hero, if you don't gank him you're saying no thank you to free gold.
And to me, how well a hero deals with harassment and ganks is a part of their laning phase. And blood seeker deals poorly with both.

Note: I'm not saying night stalker is amazing in lane, but even if you shut him down he can still get some farm with void. Blood seeker can't.

On December 09 2012 10:26 gaymon wrote:
Although bloodseeker is a really bad hero, his laning is not.

On December 09 2012 10:26 gaymon wrote:Your "favourite pick" will hit BS in 60% for 25 damage and for 45 in 40% of the cases (LVL1). The only chance to bully BS out of the lane is before he gets his PMS, when he has PMS + a quelling (which is not needed) its impossible to punish him as Rhasta (unless you have lucky runes or bottlecrow permanently, but even then its not too likely)..

On December 09 2012 10:26 gaymon wrote:If you want to spam Forked Lightning you will push the lane and give him free lasthits under the tower which will refill his life.

On December 09 2012 10:26 gaymon wrote:Overall BS should win against SS in 90% of the cases, obviously we are talking about this in a vaccuum, you said he is a bad laner even without getting ganged.

On December 09 2012 10:26 gaymon wrote:PS: Send me a PM if you want to convince me otherwise in a game, BS is probably the least favourite hero of me to play, but the fact that he "cant deal with constant harassment" is simply untrue.

On December 09 2012 10:26 gaymon wrote:



Although bloodseeker is a really bad hero, his laning is not.
Your "favourite pick" will hit BS in 60% for 25 damage and for 45 in 40% of the cases (LVL1). The only chance to bully BS out of the lane is before he gets his PMS, when he has PMS + a quelling (which is not needed) its impossible to punish him as Rhasta (unless you have lucky runes or bottlecrow permanently, but even then its not too likely). If you want to spam Forked Lightning you will push the lane and give him free lasthits under the tower which will refill his life.
Rhasta gets another opportunity on LVL6 but so does BS.

Overall BS should win against SS in 90% of the cases, obviously we are talking about this in a vaccuum, you said he is a bad laner even without getting ganged.

PS: Send me a PM if you want to convince me otherwise in a game, BS is probably the least favourite hero of me to play, but the fact that he "cant deal with constant harassment" is simply untrue.

On December 09 2012 13:59 flamewheel wrote:
Man, you guys have done a good job in this thread. Every time I see this when I scroll down, I want to provide an answer like "deplete his life bar."

On December 10 2012 15:38 OmniEulogy wrote:
all of the above is how to deal with blood seeker. I can't believe nobody has touched on the fact that you are running BH mid though.