Again, they're a highly skilled team but the shot calling is abysmal at times. There's no way a normal T1 team loses that game 1 just die backing for literally no good reason.

Geisterkarle

Germany3257 Posts

September 06 2020 20:18 GMT

#282

If I understood it corrctly, Miracle does the shotcalling in the absence of Kuroky. And, well, Miracle is a flashy, aggressive player. Probably couldn't help himself!
But this bashing of Nigma when k-god is not playing and deciding is stupid. He will be back!

Rufus Dupres

Germany1071 Posts

September 07 2020 07:37 GMT

#283

You just need to have a look back three months where juuto was saying that Kuro is a liability as a player and a drafter. Now he is the saving grace for this team...times have changed.

Just like Nigma apparently got the numbers from Liquid and Alliance, OG has it from Nigma, they are somehow able to make this team do mistakes and lose their composure while other teams are not able to do this. Really strange...

Nevertheless, placing Top3 with a stand-in, without bootcamp and/or a specific preparation after all is good. Still not able to beat the top dogs, but at least no more unnecessary losses against lesser skilled teams. Will be interesting to see what they can accomplish after a full bootcamp and playing on low ping.

juuto

809 Posts

September 07 2020 09:58 GMT

#284

On September 07 2020 05:18 Geisterkarle wrote:
If I understood it corrctly, Miracle does the shotcalling in the absence of Kuroky. And, well, Miracle is a flashy, aggressive player. Probably couldn't help himself!
But this bashing of Nigma when k-god is not playing and deciding is stupid. He will be back!

It's not bashing, it's criticism. If you want to see bashing, go check what people are saying about w33 all the time.

I'm just saying that they make some absurdly ridiculous in game decisions sometimes and it's true. What else is there to discuss about a team if all we do is ignore all the negatives? There would be nothing to discuss.

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

September 07 2020 21:12 GMT

#285

Yeah there were some really strange nigma moments that almost for sure don't happen with kuro on board.

Seems like OG just have w33's number, I dunno, maybe they just need to pick his hero earlier in the draft.

Archeon

3272 Posts

September 14 2020 09:38 GMT

#286

Nigma is a volatile team at the best of times. They literally have phases where they win a major and then struggle against a bunch of t3 dota stacks in a qualifier the next week. It's definitely not just related to Kuro's absence.
It has been a problem for years and they really need to work on that.

Topson and w33 are the same player type, I wouldn't be surprised if that plays in favor of Topson who I think is overall slightly more skilled and has a broader hero pool.

Rufus Dupres

Germany1071 Posts

September 23 2020 12:53 GMT

#287

Puh....time for some lower bracket magic. That was nothing against FTM/NaVi...not even close series.

Muffloe

Sweden6061 Posts

September 24 2020 11:59 GMT

#288

On September 14 2020 18:38 Archeon wrote:
Topson and w33 are the same player type, I wouldn't be surprised if that plays in favor of Topson who I think is overall slightly more skilled and has a broader hero pool.

Too be faire tho, how many people play Invoker and Meepo at a world class level? I think w33 is in a slump currently, but historically he has gotta be one o the most skilled players

Rufus Dupres

Germany1071 Posts

September 24 2020 17:40 GMT

#289

Awful...these Rosh-fights...holy crap. Going into the pit knowing that all enemy heroes are up and have some of the best ults for fighting in the Rosh area available is just gross negligent or plain stupid. Handing over both games on a silver plate...

They really need their shot caller and Captain back...

lasl

Romania21 Posts

September 24 2020 19:15 GMT

#290

It looked like they were forced to play in this tournament: completely lacking any (strong) desire to win. Anyway, is good to be beaten up, for the future encounters...

Rufus Dupres

Germany1071 Posts

October 07 2020 17:03 GMT

#291

Not even superrudy could save them in their series against Yellow Submarine. Jesus, they have been looking awful again.

MintberryCrunchs

Germany462 Posts

October 14 2020 12:53 GMT

#292

It saddens me to say, but i honestly think it is time for them to accept that whatever magic was there years ago is gone now and it is time to move on.
They are so incredibly talented individuals, but they cant find the chemistry that made them so good long ago.
On the contrary, it really feels like they are stuck in this endless loop of not getting it together, no matter how hard they try.
And i dont think it is the lack of Kurokys leadership right now, because its been going on way longer than his break.

If anything, the departure from Matu and his huge succes in Secret now should make them realize how draining and detrimental to succes the current situation is.

It probably takes some courage to do it, but i think these players will find new homes fast and it is for the best of all to try something new.

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

October 15 2020 09:06 GMT

#293

On October 14 2020 21:53 MintberryCrunchs wrote:
It saddens me to say, but i honestly think it is time for them to accept that whatever magic was there years ago is gone now and it is time to move on.
They are so incredibly talented individuals, but they cant find the chemistry that made them so good long ago.
On the contrary, it really feels like they are stuck in this endless loop of not getting it together, no matter how hard they try.
And i dont think it is the lack of Kurokys leadership right now, because its been going on way longer than his break.

If anything, the departure from Matu and his huge succes in Secret now should make them realize how draining and detrimental to succes the current situation is.

It probably takes some courage to do it, but i think these players will find new homes fast and it is for the best of all to try something new.

Part of me wants to agree, but with their current line-up they have still had one, if not the, most successful seasons in EU after Secret. They won the (only) minor (Jan), they won a few show matches/small tournaments (Feb-Mar), and they won Dota Pit S2 (July). I don't think they necessarily look better than Alliance or OG at the moment, but these teams haven't won a single event this year.

To me, they aren't playing as well as I would expect given the players. But I don't think they are far off from being in the range of the 2-4'th best team in EU.

Rufus Dupres

Germany1071 Posts

October 21 2020 09:48 GMT

#294

Somehow survived the group stage and now playing against the final raid boss in the first round of the upper bracket. Guess it´s been a long time that Nigma has been the clear underdog in a series, everything beyond a clinical 2:0 from Secret would be a surprise, but as we all know: upper bracket is for b*tches.

SFDuality

United States1318 Posts

October 25 2020 20:56 GMT

#295

Turns out lower bracket's for bitches too. I'm sure some day we'll find a tournament that's not for bitches.

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

October 25 2020 21:36 GMT

#296

oops wrong thread

Snowball8

4 Posts

November 14 2020 23:31 GMT

#297

I really don't get why they play Magnus as position 3 and not as position 5 like other Teams.... Also Picking 2 ranged carries on top of that... I feel they draft themselves an uphill battle to often lately. I hope you can bring back some of the old magic of epicenter.

Rufus Dupres

Germany1071 Posts

November 16 2020 10:43 GMT

#298

Yesterday was much better. Beating OG´s PA/Magnus in a very convincing way and showing the world again that you cannot give GH Io. An absolute beast on this hero.

W33 finally able to style on Topson after being humilitated so many times before. Hope they will use the free days to get some more practice. The decision making was also much better, at least compared to OGs. Whatever Ceb thought with his yolo jump onto the highground without any backup, he delivered Nigma the game on the silver plate there.