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Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
May 17 2018 18:31 GMT
#1041
Fair enough, they're not awful, just look really bad against good teams, but consistent against bad teams.
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-17 18:46:42
May 17 2018 18:32 GMT
#1042
Certainly not saying they're great and they don't seem to making strides either. There's probably going to be some changes made but as wims80 said, it's not going to happen before TI. Seb is place holder, seems to me. Jerax and maybe also S4 might go other ways after TI.

I'm not, however, seeing this horrid mess that you'd assume they are if you read a lot of the posts in this thread.

-Adding on-

On May 18 2018 03:28 wims80 wrote:
I think these rapid patches are hurting OG more than the top teams. They dont seem quite as flexible as some of the other teams like Liquid, Secret, VP etc


I'd agree with this.

In fact, I think the constant flow of patches is a detriment to the game on pretty much all levels. For spectators, only the most committed have a chance of knowing what's up.
For competitors, there's no chance of actually perfecting a patch. There was never much chance of that in Dota to begin with but it's worse than ever.
Which in turn gives us spectators less polished Dota to watch and, to me, that's just not as interesting.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 17 2018 20:20 GMT
#1043
OG's rosh timings are some of the worst for tier 1 teams. they've straight up lost games walking in rosh with obvious rosh heroes like slardar. that no longer works, and they no longer pick the hero offlane or 4.
to me this was one of the cruxes of OG play. take roshan with teamfight heroes, make unlikely ganks work, and slow push to death which they are masters of.

however, teams have gotten much more knowledgeable.
teams are shoving lanes and hitting great item timings with aura heroes and aura items to control when this roshan (also buffed) stuff can occur.
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NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 11:08:11
May 18 2018 11:04 GMT
#1044
On May 18 2018 05:20 nanaoei wrote:
OG's rosh timings are some of the worst for tier 1 teams.

Sorry but OG are not even close to Tier 1 teams. Just some glimpses from G1 vs Newbee

- Brew Mid to get you some kills with splits to 20 mins then what? He does that with no fram in the offlane.
- DK Offlane to have no impact on the game other than a stun.
- Spectre with weak lane, with once chance to get radiance, farm, stay relevent and get some kills, Seb instead goes for Blademail + Yasha first. Even buys back in the last minutes with nothing to help his team ( no farm, no radiance, no haunt). this makes him a big creep with blademail, and dies again.

Because of all that post 15-20 mins they managed to kill a SK and a Warlock twice. While getting teamwiped after using all their ulties at least 3 times.

Jerax played well, created some space, but he is just a clock with no folloup..

No plan, no communication - example of that - S4 goes in with BKB ( around Radiance t2 mid), on 3 heroes stuns his target.... 4 seconds later, he is on 20%hp, and Seb haunts in?! Then they die.

And thats vs Newbee, that are not on their prime..

Its painful man...
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 11:20:45
May 18 2018 11:20 GMT
#1045
you're nitpicking and hating on a team at this point. i'm sure you've experienced a game where you felt the game looks entirely different if something like a fight goes down slightly differently. imagine if spectre manages to not die down bottom to prompt a rosh attempt, well now nobody can reliably predict what happens.

slark has 2/3 items towards a bkb, manages to die during a fight or key components of his team does, they lose tower mid, and by this point they have a major item--probably radiance, plus very close to the health talent on spectre--to plow through the main BKB fight. you underestimate losing a hero for a solid couple minutes and what it does to the choices you have to make. fighting mid was a hail mary attempt at out-teamfighting when they are weaker and they are met with good execution by a great teamfight team.

the best team in the world is occasionally going to make a silly unforced mistake similar to what OG did that game.
they are still tier 1 occasionally, so wait until the series is over to shovel it in.
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NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 12:58:21
May 18 2018 12:53 GMT
#1046
Seems like they are seeing it in your optimistic way - as they keep trying.
Unfortunatelly the reallity says otherwise...
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-18 19:13:25
May 18 2018 19:12 GMT
#1047
I don't think OG is tier 1, tier 2 seems more appropriate. That said, its easy to nitpick a single game and find faults with even the best teams around
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
May 18 2018 20:01 GMT
#1048
Think all agree awful is to harsh. but don't think it's expected to be the best 10 years in a row. What i hope for OG is they prove you can go down a year but comeback.
Think Notail actually played very well today and was the top farmer before the team fall off. But again team draft and strategy seem off, it's nice N0tail is top farm but not really on a Brew.
Don't really like Seb performance today, but think bigger problem is not having coach. And at this point going back is maybe not a good choice, as coach player boundaries can be broken already.
GO OG
ieltsband020
Profile Joined May 2018
1 Post
Last Edited: 2018-05-25 10:07:43
May 25 2018 10:07 GMT
#1049
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 28 2018 17:14 GMT
#1050
Now the question will be who goes to OG? I saw someone mention misery and khezzu, seems possible
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
May 28 2018 18:45 GMT
#1051
dont know, they could build a "why the hell not team" for TI or just make a brake till the great shuffle starts.
Gamble28
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany107 Posts
May 28 2018 18:53 GMT
#1052
srsly? why have 2 of the players i really like to go to the team i really dislike? wtf man why EG with Sufail and Arshitzy -.-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 28 2018 18:55 GMT
#1053
EE killed OG.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 28 2018 18:56 GMT
#1054
On May 29 2018 02:14 emperorchampion wrote:
Now the question will be who goes to OG? I saw someone mention misery and khezzu, seems possible


That would make sense, and that stack could probably get through the European qualifier.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-28 19:05:48
May 28 2018 19:05 GMT
#1055
Wow did not expect this roster shakeup. Fly/Notail romance dead.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lasl
Profile Joined March 2018
Romania21 Posts
May 28 2018 20:35 GMT
#1056
I can't imagine an OG without fly (and n0tail). What a undreamable turn of things!
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-28 21:51:19
May 28 2018 21:51 GMT
#1057
Welp. Then I guess my previous couple of posts here are all moot.
That sucks.

I guess I'll go look for a new team to root for? Meh.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
May 29 2018 05:56 GMT
#1058
So seems like that was OG's problem - Fly and S4 agreed that they needed a carry.
So now they have the old OG but with new mid and carry players.

Yes, RTZ and Sumail are better mechanical players,than old teamates, but i am pretty sure, they are not even close to the teamataes / people that Miracle/Ana/N0tail were.

Maybe this is for the best, Notail can try captaining, he has what it takes, then some fresh blood, and this team can work.

Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
May 29 2018 06:58 GMT
#1059
Will OG disband now, haven't heard reaction from N0Tail or Jerax yet. Have feeling Jerax will leave.
Think N0tail should use the opportunity of S4 leaving to go to pos 3, maybe sometimes other if on micro hero carry.
GO OG
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
May 29 2018 10:57 GMT
#1060
I said a disband before TI would happen like 3 months ago cause they had better chance at TI with a different roster, and i got shitted on for this. Guess i was right, for sure didn't expect Fly and Notail to disband, thought more like s4 and Jerax joining another team.
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