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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 06:13:38
August 25 2016 06:13 GMT
#481
On August 25 2016 06:35 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 05:24 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 01:32 nothingmuch wrote:
On August 25 2016 01:12 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 00:32 nothingmuch wrote:
Well when the "friendship" core is no longer a thing (Moon) then I guess you might as well go where the big(?) salaries are (EG.Cr1t, Liquid.Miracle).

On the topic of player worship, pro players and OG members themselves have stated that Cr1t was actually the "best" player on their team. While Miracle is a superb player, the hype around him (which mostly came from the fairly meaningless mmr grind and associated youtube vids) was never in any proportion to the "weight" he carried on the team, while particularly Notail got unwarranted hate from the clueless masses.

N0tail got hate? Just wait until new OG begins to play, if they not succeed... the hate you talk about will be nothing in comparison.


That's all speculation. We don't know if/who/how OG will be playing. Could just as easily disband or be Notail on a different position etc.
I'm just saying it's hard to count how many times Cr1ts roams, Flys drafts or Notails sacrifices made Miracle look so great and all the Notail haters/Miracle hypers are pretty fucking clueless (and that's not even going into the topic of communicative/social skills that players have to have to make a team work and that the fans are completely oblivious to).

Of course it is speculation... I specifically said "if they not succeed..."


I think we agree, I'm just saying the the changes might be so drastic that even the haters have a hard time pinning failure on Notail.

Yea, I get you. I am so tired of the n0tail hate train too, but I can only say to you that no one, neither here nor in reddit or wherever it may be, will change his mind in regards to that. People tend to settle for the easiest way out and you will end up talking to a wall for hours.
Herbman
Profile Joined January 2015
France15 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 11:09:04
August 25 2016 10:45 GMT
#482
The team would actually be so entertaining with bigdaddy + jerax
1q84
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
August 25 2016 13:06 GMT
#483
On August 25 2016 15:13 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 06:35 nothingmuch wrote:
On August 25 2016 05:24 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 01:32 nothingmuch wrote:
On August 25 2016 01:12 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 00:32 nothingmuch wrote:
Well when the "friendship" core is no longer a thing (Moon) then I guess you might as well go where the big(?) salaries are (EG.Cr1t, Liquid.Miracle).

On the topic of player worship, pro players and OG members themselves have stated that Cr1t was actually the "best" player on their team. While Miracle is a superb player, the hype around him (which mostly came from the fairly meaningless mmr grind and associated youtube vids) was never in any proportion to the "weight" he carried on the team, while particularly Notail got unwarranted hate from the clueless masses.

N0tail got hate? Just wait until new OG begins to play, if they not succeed... the hate you talk about will be nothing in comparison.


That's all speculation. We don't know if/who/how OG will be playing. Could just as easily disband or be Notail on a different position etc.
I'm just saying it's hard to count how many times Cr1ts roams, Flys drafts or Notails sacrifices made Miracle look so great and all the Notail haters/Miracle hypers are pretty fucking clueless (and that's not even going into the topic of communicative/social skills that players have to have to make a team work and that the fans are completely oblivious to).

Of course it is speculation... I specifically said "if they not succeed..."


I think we agree, I'm just saying the the changes might be so drastic that even the haters have a hard time pinning failure on Notail.

Yea, I get you. I am so tired of the n0tail hate train too, but I can only say to you that no one, neither here nor in reddit or wherever it may be, will change his mind in regards to that. People tend to settle for the easiest way out and you will end up talking to a wall for hours.


I'm well aware
That's why I didn't bother with Hariooo.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 14:35:10
August 25 2016 13:46 GMT
#484
what do you guys think of attacker? i've seen his stream and nothing really stands out aside from his superb kunkka play.
as dumb as it sounds, i hope he does not join the team, but the likelihood is at least there. someone said somewhere that he isn't interested in joining a pro team, yet moon says he is entering t1 which pretty much overrides that.
i don't think envy is going to take the gamble with attacker.

as for other mids, i can see them switching fata. maybe he goes to envy's team instead.
who else can play mid in the scene aside from w33 and is not sumail (since he's staying on EG)?
MP? QO? resolution? aui? lol, pajkatt?
zfreek on OG could be ownage

honestly it kind of narrows it down to those individuals, bar envy joining, role switches, etc.
what playstyle are they aiming for? split pressure? farming mid? major teamfight/aura?
that factors into the player choice as well. i think they could easily switch gears, or go back to farming mids as they have been doing before, leaving w33 as a good choice, perhaps even MP or one of the wellspoken PH. players willing to relocate to participate in leagues.

edit: oh man, i forgot about midone. fuck they could bring in excalibur too.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 25 2016 14:18 GMT
#485
On August 25 2016 22:06 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 15:13 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 06:35 nothingmuch wrote:
On August 25 2016 05:24 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 01:32 nothingmuch wrote:
On August 25 2016 01:12 Racket wrote:
On August 25 2016 00:32 nothingmuch wrote:
Well when the "friendship" core is no longer a thing (Moon) then I guess you might as well go where the big(?) salaries are (EG.Cr1t, Liquid.Miracle).

On the topic of player worship, pro players and OG members themselves have stated that Cr1t was actually the "best" player on their team. While Miracle is a superb player, the hype around him (which mostly came from the fairly meaningless mmr grind and associated youtube vids) was never in any proportion to the "weight" he carried on the team, while particularly Notail got unwarranted hate from the clueless masses.

N0tail got hate? Just wait until new OG begins to play, if they not succeed... the hate you talk about will be nothing in comparison.


That's all speculation. We don't know if/who/how OG will be playing. Could just as easily disband or be Notail on a different position etc.
I'm just saying it's hard to count how many times Cr1ts roams, Flys drafts or Notails sacrifices made Miracle look so great and all the Notail haters/Miracle hypers are pretty fucking clueless (and that's not even going into the topic of communicative/social skills that players have to have to make a team work and that the fans are completely oblivious to).

Of course it is speculation... I specifically said "if they not succeed..."


I think we agree, I'm just saying the the changes might be so drastic that even the haters have a hard time pinning failure on Notail.

Yea, I get you. I am so tired of the n0tail hate train too, but I can only say to you that no one, neither here nor in reddit or wherever it may be, will change his mind in regards to that. People tend to settle for the easiest way out and you will end up talking to a wall for hours.


I'm well aware
That's why I didn't bother with Hariooo.


Writing an essay that communicated nothing much with multiple fallacies is "didn't bother". Good one.

Meanwhile someone says Miracle > Notail and you guys have to spin it like we killed notail's dog to make it sound like he's getting "hate". Nice try, really.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
August 25 2016 15:49 GMT
#486
On August 25 2016 19:45 Herbman wrote:
The team would actually be so entertaining with bigdaddy + jerax


Yeah, Jerax certainly was the best player on Liquid at TI. He's been such an exceptional player for years, (that sandking holy shit) but why would he leave Liquid, especially when the Team is getting even stronger (if Miracle replacing Fata is actually a thing)?

nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
August 25 2016 15:54 GMT
#487
On August 25 2016 22:46 nanaoei wrote:
what do you guys think of attacker? i've seen his stream and nothing really stands out aside from his superb kunkka play.
as dumb as it sounds, i hope he does not join the team, but the likelihood is at least there. someone said somewhere that he isn't interested in joining a pro team, yet moon says he is entering t1 which pretty much overrides that.
i don't think envy is going to take the gamble with attacker.

as for other mids, i can see them switching fata. maybe he goes to envy's team instead.
who else can play mid in the scene aside from w33 and is not sumail (since he's staying on EG)?
MP? QO? resolution? aui? lol, pajkatt?
zfreek on OG could be ownage

honestly it kind of narrows it down to those individuals, bar envy joining, role switches, etc.
what playstyle are they aiming for? split pressure? farming mid? major teamfight/aura?
that factors into the player choice as well. i think they could easily switch gears, or go back to farming mids as they have been doing before, leaving w33 as a good choice, perhaps even MP or one of the wellspoken PH. players willing to relocate to participate in leagues.

edit: oh man, i forgot about midone. fuck they could bring in excalibur too.


I agree that only his Kunkka stands out, but you don't reach 8.8k by playing just one hero well. I'm always sceptical of pub stars, but Miracle and Sumail certainly have proven the worth of giving "new blood" a chance.
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
August 25 2016 21:12 GMT
#488
fly followed moo on twitter.

1. Notail
2. Attacker?/(convince fata)
3. Moo
4. Jerax
5. Fly
Never eat at a chinese restraunt located by the pound
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
August 25 2016 21:27 GMT
#489
I guess beggars can't be choosers but aside from Jerax those all seem like downgrades.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 25 2016 21:58 GMT
#490
Moo isn't a downgrade, and pretty much any mid would be a downgrade (or at least so it seems now)
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 22:50:57
August 25 2016 22:50 GMT
#491
On August 26 2016 06:58 Talin wrote:
Moo isn't a downgrade, and pretty much any mid would be a downgrade (or at least so it seems now)

Maybe? i know its not possible but it wouldnt be a downgrade
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 26 2016 00:05 GMT
#492
Attacker's pretty good at not-kunkka, playing any hero at 8.X K mmr and winning is pretty good IMO
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
August 26 2016 07:28 GMT
#493


Moon gave an interview where he goes through what happened in OG.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
August 26 2016 12:43 GMT
#494
On August 26 2016 16:28 spudde123 wrote:
https://youtu.be/mtyBB1Pa7JA

Moon gave an interview where he goes through what happened in OG.

Nice one! Thanks spudde
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 26 2016 12:43 GMT
#495
I like Fly but he couldn't break up with Moon to his face huh.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 26 2016 12:45 GMT
#496
Cr1t plays for money strictly
So he's joining one of the big organisations that can pay him
Leaves pretty much EG? I'm not sure if/how Kemal pays people on Secret.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 26 2016 15:11 GMT
#497
On August 26 2016 21:43 hariooo wrote:
I like Fly but he couldn't break up with Moon to his face huh.
It probably escalated once Cr1t- left, which is most likely when they no longer were face to face.

Either way, it can't have been easy for Fly considering he took Moon with him, and even let him live in Israel with him for some time.
LiangHao
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 16:23:14
August 26 2016 16:23 GMT
#498
I am impressed by the image fly built up, the mental strong guy, the father a well known athlete in several martial arts - a son grown up with krav maga training, courageous and what else...

.. and then, he kicks someone without even looking at his eyes and giving him the chance to defend.

This does not work for me. I am sorry - but I dont care how someone wants to classify dota or the old OG dota squad.. business, friendship whatever... but even in business a fair employer is searching the personal conversation, in friendship this would not happen. So lets say it was business with a friendship marketing slogan, but overall it says a lot about a "leader" to choose this way.



Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 17:09:09
August 26 2016 17:03 GMT
#499
On August 27 2016 01:23 Anamorph wrote:
I am impressed by the image fly built up, the mental strong guy, the father a well known athlete in several martial arts - a son grown up with krav maga training, courageous and what else...

.. and then, he kicks someone without even looking at his eyes and giving him the chance to defend.

This does not work for me. I am sorry - but I dont care how someone wants to classify dota or the old OG dota squad.. business, friendship whatever... but even in business a fair employer is searching the personal conversation, in friendship this would not happen. So lets say it was business with a friendship marketing slogan, but overall it says a lot about a "leader" to choose this way.



Fly is not a business employer, but a kid that plays DotA. Even people employed to kick friends from companies loathe this side of things. Some even crack completely, and quit themselves. Fly is a kind and giving person, so it is not far off, that it hurts him personally. If he was a d**k it would be easy.

Furthermore I reckon Moon deserved to know as soon as the decision was made, which was most likely when face to face was not an option.

I am not fond of them not sorting out issues, but that is another thing entirely.
LiangHao
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 26 2016 17:44 GMT
#500
People make mistakes all the time it's not like I'm gonna condemn Fly forever.

That being said the timeline doesn't look good. Moon implies he got kicked as soon as he got back so unless you're suggesting Fly only made up his mind while Moon was in flight the more likely explanation is just that he balked at doing it face to face.
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