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SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
August 13 2016 13:49 GMT
#401
Yeah, it's easy to say the team can be "improved" on paper by making roster changes, but that ignores all the chemistry OG has built in the past year. Obv this TI was disappointing, but overall this roster has achieved so much that I don't think changes are justified at this point in time.
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 17:01:00
August 14 2016 17:00 GMT
#402
Doublesry
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 17:01:31
August 14 2016 17:00 GMT
#403

OG will shuffle because OG can't afford to pay Miracle the 6 figure salary his new contract will be worth. Simple as that.
Dison92
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark142 Posts
August 14 2016 17:20 GMT
#404
On August 15 2016 02:00 hariooo wrote:

OG will shuffle because OG can't afford to pay Miracle the 6 figure salary his new contract will be worth. Simple as that.


Wait, are you saying some teams will pay him a 6 figure salary, in esports? Top fucking kek.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 14 2016 17:34 GMT
#405
On August 15 2016 02:20 Dison92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 02:00 hariooo wrote:

OG will shuffle because OG can't afford to pay Miracle the 6 figure salary his new contract will be worth. Simple as that.


Wait, are you saying some teams will pay him a 6 figure salary, in esports? Top fucking kek.


Top players are already getting paid that. Hum was getting paid 6 figures for a smaller game several years ago so this isn't even a new thing.
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
August 14 2016 17:43 GMT
#406
He'd be an idiot to take any salary over the prize winnings he could get by being on the best team.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 14 2016 17:44 GMT
#407
I'm going to have to insist you study the concept of expected value. It's not like he'd be joining complexity. EG or Secret are plausible candidates.
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
August 15 2016 00:13 GMT
#408
On August 15 2016 02:44 hariooo wrote:
I'm going to have to insist you study the concept of expected value. It's not like he'd be joining complexity. EG or Secret are plausible candidates.


He's already turned down Secret to play for OG in the past, why would he join them now?
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 15 2016 01:16 GMT
#409
On August 15 2016 09:13 SpeaKEaSY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 02:44 hariooo wrote:
I'm going to have to insist you study the concept of expected value. It's not like he'd be joining complexity. EG or Secret are plausible candidates.


He's already turned down Secret to play for OG in the past, why would he join them now?


According to EE secret chose w33 over miracle so your narrative isn't true anyway.

The other reason is miracle is worth much more today than he was last year.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-15 02:13:26
August 15 2016 02:12 GMT
#410
On August 15 2016 10:16 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 09:13 SpeaKEaSY wrote:
On August 15 2016 02:44 hariooo wrote:
I'm going to have to insist you study the concept of expected value. It's not like he'd be joining complexity. EG or Secret are plausible candidates.


He's already turned down Secret to play for OG in the past, why would he join them now?


According to EE secret chose w33 over miracle so your narrative isn't true anyway.

The other reason is miracle is worth much more today than he was last year.

from what i remember, secret wanted miracle, but he decided to join og. i think envy said that...
also who would want to join secret these days?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 15 2016 02:20 GMT
#411
The full story was that EE asked Miracle, miracle wanted some time to think because he also had an offer from Notail. EE went with the person who said yes instantly instead because he preferred lack of hesitation.
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
August 15 2016 11:45 GMT
#412
On August 15 2016 02:34 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 02:20 Dison92 wrote:
On August 15 2016 02:00 hariooo wrote:

OG will shuffle because OG can't afford to pay Miracle the 6 figure salary his new contract will be worth. Simple as that.


Wait, are you saying some teams will pay him a 6 figure salary, in esports? Top fucking kek.


Top players are already getting paid that. Hum was getting paid 6 figures for a smaller game several years ago so this isn't even a new thing.


From what I remember, ppd talked about that at the stream once, and it was around 2k-3k USD/month.
6 figure salary? I thought the same way for a long time, complexity players for example earn 2kUSD/month and as I remember they need to pay for their teamhouse with the salary too.

It s still e-sports, money comes from winning tourneys.

But the whole business around e-sports is just not at the level a real business should be. As a manager I would change so much, you can use in the time of new economy to get more money from sponsors.
There is not even a real media support of the teams... look we re spamming here at "liquiddota" and I never read someone from liquid. Dota Marketing by the teams is the worst I have ever seen.
They dont even use youtube to promote, vlog etc. But subscribers = more money from sponsors, because it s a proven range of people to make productplacements. As a management consultant I just see potential all the way. If the scene starts to be more professional, the salary will increase. But the most "so called managers" are no managers, they re just good connected people in the e-sport scene without any idea how business works, the other side of "managers" are just a mixture of cooks, charwomen and babysitters.
I am sure this will change in 5-6 years.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-15 12:02:36
August 15 2016 11:51 GMT
#413
In CS:GO the players in the top teams make 6 figures, it would be weird if Dota players made less IMO
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-15 13:46:37
August 15 2016 13:44 GMT
#414
Dota is essentially crowdfunded and it really shows when it comes to prizepool. The day cosmetics stop working, dota players earning will significantly drop whereas lol & csgo format attracts more viewer and guarantee traditional income through sponsors and marketing revenue.

I heard DC players were payed 4k but does anyone have back up for 6 figures salaries for csgo players claim?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-15 14:40:05
August 15 2016 14:39 GMT
#415
On August 15 2016 11:12 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 10:16 hariooo wrote:
On August 15 2016 09:13 SpeaKEaSY wrote:
On August 15 2016 02:44 hariooo wrote:
I'm going to have to insist you study the concept of expected value. It's not like he'd be joining complexity. EG or Secret are plausible candidates.


He's already turned down Secret to play for OG in the past, why would he join them now?


According to EE secret chose w33 over miracle so your narrative isn't true anyway.

The other reason is miracle is worth much more today than he was last year.

from what i remember, secret wanted miracle, but he decided to join og. i think envy said that...
also who would want to join secret these days?


From what I can recall, EE went to Miracle first but Miracle said he needed a week (or so) to "think about it". Then he went to w33 instead of waiting for Miracle to decide and then Miracle joined OG.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
August 15 2016 14:51 GMT
#416
On August 15 2016 22:44 zdarr wrote:
Dota is essentially crowdfunded and it really shows when it comes to prizepool. The day cosmetics stop working, dota players earning will significantly drop whereas lol & csgo format attracts more viewer and guarantee traditional income through sponsors and marketing revenue.

I heard DC players were payed 4k but does anyone have back up for 6 figures salaries for csgo players claim?

http://www.hltv.org/news/16854-astralis-discuss-offers-salaries
Fallen (SK captain) supposedly said on stream that the SK players get 15k salary
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 15 2016 16:01 GMT
#417
On August 15 2016 11:12 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 10:16 hariooo wrote:
On August 15 2016 09:13 SpeaKEaSY wrote:
On August 15 2016 02:44 hariooo wrote:
I'm going to have to insist you study the concept of expected value. It's not like he'd be joining complexity. EG or Secret are plausible candidates.


He's already turned down Secret to play for OG in the past, why would he join them now?


According to EE secret chose w33 over miracle so your narrative isn't true anyway.

The other reason is miracle is worth much more today than he was last year.

from what i remember, secret wanted miracle, but he decided to join og. i think envy said that...
also who would want to join secret these days?


First part was answered by others.

Second part is easy too. Why would miracle join Notail and Fly last year when they had mediocre results their entire dota career? It's because he saw something in them and believed in the potential of the team.

To say that Secret's poor performance over the last half season is a complete disqualifier for Miracle to want to play with Arteezy and Puppey makes no sense.

No one knows where Miracle will go but I think the evidence is clearly pointing to him leaving OG.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 15 2016 16:03 GMT
#418
What evidence?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-15 16:26:25
August 15 2016 16:26 GMT
#419
On August 16 2016 01:03 LemOn wrote:
What evidence?

No evidence, he just knows them because he owned them back in the day. You know, old times.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-15 17:04:15
August 15 2016 16:49 GMT
#420
Oh is it that Douche again? I almost forgot about him :D

Although it does make sense that e.g. EG would try to poach him if e.g. Fear retires. And even replacing Suma1l would be an upgrade
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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