PPD Discussion

On December 02 2014 09:30 BobMcJohnson wrote:
OP lacks salt

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On December 03 2014 00:08 crbox wrote:
he looks a bit like taylor swift

On December 03 2014 01:20 Beirut wrote:
I love how much everyone hates PPD, he's fucking hilarious.

On December 03 2014 01:34 goody153 wrote:

eh ? i don't think that everybody hates him.. i feel like he's more like envy where some like and some hate.

On December 03 2014 01:46 a_flayer wrote:

Does PPD also draft for EG?

On December 03 2014 01:47 Julmust wrote:

Yup. From what I gather he likes drafting what he believes in (especially after the TI3 LB finals) which is interesting

On December 03 2014 16:50 BongChambers wrote:
There hasn't been a PPD thread made yet? O_o

Needs more salt.

Lol in all seriousness I don't get why people hate him so much, I think he's pre chill and has a good understanding about the game. He knows the very definition of support and I can respect that.

On March 07 2015 01:34 hunter_x wrote:
how can u be a fan of such a guy?

On March 07 2015 01:43 blobrus wrote:

Best captain in the world.

On March 07 2015 01:52 hunter_x wrote:


worst personality in dota

On March 07 2015 02:07 blobrus wrote:

I mean sure, but if you're gonna judge dota players based on their personality you're quickly going to run out of players to like.

On March 07 2015 02:07 blobrus wrote:

I mean sure, but if you're gonna judge dota players based on their personality you're quickly going to run out of players to like.

On March 07 2015 02:21 hunter_x wrote:


thats not true at all. i dont count a little bit of flaming here and there as having a bad personality. thats just normal, im also not always nice in my games. but what he does, is just looking down at other teams and players. even if its true what he says, and the other team ist bad, you cant say it like that. thats about having basic manners, but maybe his parents failed at that, who knows. fear has these tendencies too, and sumail is on the best way of becoming a prick too. so why should someone cheer for people like these? only because they are good and from your country? i really dont understand.

On March 07 2015 01:52 hunter_x wrote:


worst personality in dota

On March 07 2015 07:24 Jinxed wrote:\
As it is though everyone but secret (mb C9 on good days) is a joke to them and they barely have to work to stay on top of NA let alone the west.

On March 07 2015 21:44 gulati wrote:
this guy is a fucking legend and should be respected as one of the greatest leaders in esports since carn and markeloff

anybody crying about his jokes and troll racist comments is wasting their time. nobody cares anymore, it's 2015

On March 07 2015 22:13 Doraemon wrote:
respected? say that kind of shit in another other professional environment and i bet "respect" is the last thing he'll be getting

On March 07 2015 22:13 Doraemon wrote:
respected? say that kind of shit in another other professional environment and i bet "respect" is the last thing he'll be getting

On March 08 2015 11:24 Sbrubbles wrote:
PPD is right about one thing though: every tier 2 and lower team should play with a ping dissadvantage to EG because EG is the better team so they deserve more the win anyway.

Heck, EG is the best team in the world so actually every team should play with a ping dissadvantage to them.

On March 09 2015 21:52 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I dont think you quite understand that these players are entertainers first and human beings second. That is why this works.

On March 09 2015 22:44 Beirut wrote:
Don't worry guys I just booked my flight to MLG Columbus LAN finals so I will be confronting PPD about his unsportsmanlike behavior! I will get to the bottom of this and make sure Peter knows his actions are wrong and hurtful to others!

On March 09 2015 21:47 Racket wrote:
Come on, it is called human interaction, in real life, when you meet someone like PPD and experience his behavior first hand, it is a common reaction to hit him hard, just to try and put some sense into him.

On March 10 2015 01:37 Talin wrote:


I don't know where in the real world you live, but it must be very violent if getting punched is a common reaction to something like that.

From my experience, a common reaction would be casually trash talking back, or laughing it off if you have a more passive personality.

On March 09 2015 21:56 Plansix wrote:

A dark, but honest way to look at it. What PPD said was rude, but nothing that we wouldn't see before a hyped boxing match. People calling for super polite, SC2 level dota are asking for boring dota. I enjoy me a little flame.

On March 10 2015 01:37 Talin wrote:


I don't know where in the real world you live, but it must be very violent if getting punched is a common reaction to something like that.

From my experience, a common reaction would be casually trash talking back, or laughing it off if you have a more passive personality.

On March 10 2015 01:49 Plansix wrote:

Its a really cool way to get arrested if you go around hitting people who tell you are are bad at Dota(or like any pick up sport)

On March 10 2015 03:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Context is important.

It wasn't about "you're worse than us so just forfeit".

It was "this match has been delayed by four hours and you're dragging it out even longer because you're trying to force a Brazilian server just to win one game".

On March 10 2015 03:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Context is important.

It wasn't about "you're worse than us so just forfeit".

It was "this match has been delayed by four hours and you're dragging it out even longer because you're trying to force a Brazilian server just to win one game".

On March 10 2015 05:27 Sbrubbles wrote:


"force" the Brazilian server? It is perfectly reasonable and fair for one game to be played on USE and one on BR, and the rules accomodate that possibility (as was done in other matches). EG, though, (Charlie in particular) know the clout they can throw around to bully administrators and used it to great effect.

It's funny that the only reason this situation got called out on was PPD's rude comments.

On March 10 2015 05:27 Sbrubbles wrote:


"force" the Brazilian server? It is perfectly reasonable and fair for one game to be played on USE and one on BR, and the rules accomodate that possibility (as was done in other matches). EG, though, (Charlie in particular) know the clout they can throw around to bully administrators and used it to great effect.

It's funny that the only reason this situation got called out on was PPD's rude comments.

On March 10 2015 05:52 lolnoty wrote:


If an admin is being "bullied" by a manager then he's a bad admin. The rules weren't clear, there was a case to be made by EG (total pings of each team were uneven so EG on BR was technically worse than the other way around), and its a managers job to fight for their team to get the best conditions for their team. If the admin actually believed that game 2 should have been BR servers, then he says that and sticks to it. If EG won't play game 2 on BR its a forfeit and everyone goes home.

On March 10 2015 06:30 Racket wrote:


Its funny; in some sports there is another thing that comes to mind when the disadvantage between sides is big enough, it is called handicap. If EG is so good and confident could just shut up and just play.
Also, it is not Pain's problem that EG has a bad ping so they should not make up for server differences by playing both games on US, that is when tournaments management has to make its appearance.

Another somewhat important thing, admins get bullied mostly because having EG in the tournament is far better for the tournament's organization that not having them, so they take care of them as spoiled little kids, because the amount of viewers would drop drastically if EG wasn't there.
That story is present in every sport where big teams push their way through because they are who they are. If an admin steps up and stops them, they are more likely to lose their job than to be backed by the organization, admins are everywhere, but there is only one EG.

On March 10 2015 11:53 caiovigg wrote:
The thing is: why only EG don't have to play on the BR server? All other teams did, except CoL cause they have 2 EU players that would have a bazilion ping.

On March 10 2015 11:53 caiovigg wrote:
The thing is: why only EG don't have to play on the BR server? All other teams did, except CoL cause they have 2 EU players that would have a bazilion ping.

On March 10 2015 09:22 Reson wrote:


I will start off by pasting the server rule from joindota's website.

The default server location is Luxembourg for jDL Europe, US East for jDL America, and Singapore for jDL Asia. Other servers are used, if both teams agree or the administration decides on it (the latter might especially be done in division 1 to ensure maximum fairness).

1) the default server is US east. It is very reasonable and fair for EG to argue that the game should not be played on BR server. The only way for the server to be changed from the default is by admin's decision since the teams don't agree on one server. What PPD said to Pain Gaming players was irrelevant to the admin's decision.

2) you said it is not Pain's problem that EG has bad ping. With the same reasoning, it isn't EG's problem what Pain's ping is to the default server. It is fair to play both games on US east unless both teams agree (which they don't) or the admin decides not to. Charlie as EG's manager has to fight for his team. This is a given and is part of what he is paid to do. If the admin decides it is either BR server or forfeit then the decision will be forced on EG. The admin needs to state why he makes that decision be it ping differences or because that's what all other series have been doing. As far as we know, he/she said nothing.

3) it was reasonable for Pain to argue to play one game on BR server because in other series in the tournament they have been receiving this ruling. It is understandable that Pain Gaming expecting the situation to be the same in this series. It is understandable but it does not mean that the ruling has to go their way. By default, the rules are opposed to what they are arguing for. In the screenshot, there was no indication that the Pain Gaming players did not understand this (maybe one was frustrated but that is often the case when anything goes against someone).

4) your comment about EG bullying the tournament is pure speculation. There was nothing in the screenshot to suggest that was the case. If this was the case, then the tournament should adjust by improving the rules or the instructions given to the admins to make it more clear what the proper decision is in each scenario. One example is to have some guidelines to what constitutes as fair ping. The current rules put all the decision making power and responsibility on the admin. It is fine if the admin is competent but we can obviously tell from this scenario that something is lacking.

5) the comparison to saying "you are bad at something" to a complete stranger is very poor. This was a comment made about the game against a competitor who is voluntarily competing. A far more accurate comparison is two people playing checkers or basketball and one person claims that the other is bad at what they are playing. If you feel the response to that is punching the other person then so be it. The bicycle and Benz comparison is even worse.

6) the place of origin of the team or their back story is irrelevant to the situation. The same words could have been said against a US west team who maintains that they should play on game on US West. Ping difference will always be a problem with online competitions which is why LAN results are much more valuable. You may have noticed that there are rarely cross region online tournaments anymore and qualifiers are region based. NA teams have had to play on EU servers in the past when they joined a EU tournament.

If people want to complain to the organizers that PPD should not have said that to a competitor in a private lobby then that's fine but please do not purposely misinterpret what was said or add your own baseless speculation. Furthermore I would like to suggest that the person leaking the screenshot should be sanctioned and no longer be trusted by any party involved. There is a difference between private and public information.

Think for yourself.

On March 10 2015 18:34 Reson wrote:
2) Many people claimed that Pain's complaints were out of place cause the fact that many of the other series going 1 US 1 BR was not public knowledge. This is also why this wasn't needed to be brought into a public domain.

4) Speculation is not harmless. It is extremely unfair to the EG organization that they are under scrutiny from people's (not only yourself but many others including "professionals" involved in Dota) baseless speculation. There is more evidence that the admin was incompetent than EG tried to overpower the admin. Instead of saying "Manners please," he could have provided a reasoning for whatever decision he was going to be make. If getting things right is not a goal of the tournament, the tournament isn't worth supporting. The rules can protect the admin by giving them straightforward guidelines.

5) How is this comment "out of nowhere"? There obviously was text before the screenshot. From EG's pov it is entirely possible that they were unaware that other US teams had to play 1 US 1 BR. Without that information, it is very justified that Pain's complaints are unwarranted and a waste of time. Furthermore, EG aren't in a position of power over Pain when they enter the game as opposed to a boss shitting on their employees from a position of power. Are you telling me you condone Zidane's headbutt and believe that was the correct action?

Trash talk isn't for hype and I have never claimed that. Players trash talk each other on the field of play where it is technically private. I don't consider what PPD trash talk. He was tired of the other team arguing over something he believe was predetermined (server location) and speak out his honest opinion of the opposing team. He meant what he said.

6) Bullshit. You are claiming that it is harder to make a living off progaming in Brazil compared to the US? The cost of living is much higher on average in the US. With the same salary provided by a organization, a team is much more likely able to survive in Brazil than in the US. Why do the Pain Gaming players deserved respect from PPD as a competitor? I can guarantee you PPD has put in more effort and time into Dota and previously HoN than all 5 Pain players combined. When Zephyr won KDL Season 1 do you think people gave them respect? Respect as a competitor has to be earned. The Pain players weren't disrespected as human beings only as a competitor of Dota.

From your last few posts, it is my understanding that you value violence (punching someone) above honesty (voicing what one believes to be the truth). If that is true, then that is the fundamental difference in which we view the situation. I have nothing against the Pain players and if anything I felt the way they responded to what PPD said was the correct competitor way, "we'll make it." I hope the one that leaked the screenshot was not a player. Settle it with Dota not drama.

On March 10 2015 20:09 TheSmokeyy90 wrote:
Holy cow, the overreaction is real boys.

I have no issue with what PPD said, I don't understand why everyone expects everyone to be so prim and proper in a competitive event.

Any real sport has some trash talking, and typically it is put up or shut up. The keyboard warriors need to step back and relax a bit.

On March 10 2015 21:02 Spicy_Curry wrote:
You are deluded if you think trash talk is only public. Do you think we even know 1% of the crap professional athletes spew at each other? These are players who spend every second of every waking hour thinking that they are the best in the world. The egos are massive at the competitive level because you simply cannot be the best if you think that you are not the best. Keyboard warriors probably dont want to hear it but the vast majority of the people complaining have not spent very much time watching sports to make an accurate comparison between the two. Unfortunately for you, we need these players because exciting games dont make sports popular, in fact most games are dreadfully boring, the storylines make the game and we should relish this.

On March 10 2015 21:02 Spicy_Curry wrote:
You are deluded if you think trash talk is only public. Do you think we even know 1% of the crap professional athletes spew at each other? These are players who spend every second of every waking hour thinking that they are the best in the world. The egos are massive at the competitive level because you simply cannot be the best if you think that you are not the best. Keyboard warriors probably dont want to hear it but the vast majority of the people complaining have not spent very much time watching sports to make an accurate comparison between the two. Unfortunately for you, we need these players because exciting games dont make sports popular, in fact most games are dreadfully boring, the storylines make the game and we should relish this.

On March 10 2015 21:33 Racket wrote:


I get you, my point is:
- Trash talk is public.
- Harassing/disrespecting people may be public and/or private.

While both categories are able to use the same words and expressions, one is made exclusively public for the sake of fame/rating/publicity/ego-centrism/etc, and the other is just one person being a dick to another whatever the reasons (ego-centrism for instance).

The public one is usually mutual and "accepted" or tolerated. On the other hand the private one is usually condemned because ethics and moral are in the way.

On March 10 2015 01:37 Talin wrote:


I don't know where in the real world you live, but it must be very violent if getting punched is a common reaction to something like that.

From my experience, a common reaction would be casually trash talking back, or laughing it off if you have a more passive personality.

On March 11 2015 03:14 jmbthirteen wrote:

Trash talk isn't public. Hell the worst of it is never public because the shit athletes say on the field or court is stuff sponsors don't like to hear. Michael Jordan is probably the greatest trash talker of all time. He would mentally destroy people on the court. And we never hear what he actually said. Only players memories of it. None of it was public. But it was still trash talk.

On March 11 2015 03:42 lolnoty wrote:


Most people who say "all trash talk gets you punched" gets most of their social interaction by watching movies or TV and has no idea how actual conflict is resolved between adults.

On August 28 2015 04:42 Supamang wrote:
Been watching ppd's stream recently. I've noticed that he hates it, and I mean really hates it, when people are constantly talking over the mic. Even if they're explaining things game related. Seems he preferred communication via typing.

I can really see why he didn't want to play with Aui anymore, their styles were just too different. He'd probably hate playing with me lol.

On August 28 2015 05:33 Beirut wrote:


Probably just hates pub players pretending like they know what they should be doing lol. I don't think you should draw too many conclusions from his livestream pubs.

On August 28 2015 07:44 Supamang wrote:

That could be it. One of his games, there was an AM, even after realizing that it was ppd playing and after they'd already won, who was telling him to not leave the carry as a support. It was pretty ridiculous.

He still in general seemed annoyed at people using the mic every 5 seconds though.

On August 28 2015 20:47 Atoissen wrote:

I dont think it bothered him that much, if it actually did he would have just muted them...