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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 21 2014 21:39 GMT
#121
Thing about vici is that they kept forcing the push strategies without factoring the enemy team. Its so all in because they kept going for lineups with shitty teamfights in favour of pushing heroes. Its almost like they got too caught up with their recent pushing successes, and forgot the fundamentals of how they drafted.

They forgot that tide and doom are heroes they used to favour. They gave too much priority to obtaining prophet. Everything about their draft approach today was not the usual Vici.

I don't even think vici push strat comes from mass summons or wards like they used today. It comes from pugna/razor/ld/dp, with dk/prophet/rhasta/veno picked to complement it. They lacked the core heroes for their pushes today, and getting veno/prophet so early meant they cannot execute their backup weaver/morphing strategies well because they just don't have team fight.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 22 2014 01:38 GMT
#122
so sad they kept picking pos 1 prophet against these fast push lineups
oh well
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 22 2014 05:45 GMT
#123
I'm totally okay with second for Rotk, fy, and pals, considering that going into the event I thought it was a tossup whether they'd even make the main event.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 22 2014 05:50 GMT
#124
On July 22 2014 10:38 andyrau wrote:
so sad they kept picking pos 1 prophet against these fast push lineups
oh well

they were the ones doing the fast push, not newbee
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 22 2014 05:52 GMT
#125
On July 22 2014 14:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 10:38 andyrau wrote:
so sad they kept picking pos 1 prophet against these fast push lineups
oh well

they were the ones doing the fast push, not newbee

I don't think it's a bad thing, but I'd argue that Newbee's lineups had above average push as well.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 22 2014 06:37 GMT
#126
On July 22 2014 14:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 10:38 andyrau wrote:
so sad they kept picking pos 1 prophet against these fast push lineups
oh well

they were the ones doing the fast push, not newbee

yea i meant 5man snowball lineups
both teams overvalued veno and prophet though
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cbk486
Profile Joined July 2014
154 Posts
July 23 2014 14:32 GMT
#127
All these posters in /r/dota2 saying that Vici didn't deserve second place make me sad
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 23 2014 15:38 GMT
#128
On July 23 2014 23:32 cbk486 wrote:
All these posters in /r/dota2 saying that Vici didn't deserve second place make me sad

People who say things like that, whether they're fans of dota, hockey, football, or another game, are just bitter. VG deserved second place; you can tell because they got second place.
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cbk486
Profile Joined July 2014
154 Posts
July 23 2014 18:06 GMT
#129
On July 24 2014 00:38 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:32 cbk486 wrote:
All these posters in /r/dota2 saying that Vici didn't deserve second place make me sad

People who say things like that, whether they're fans of dota, hockey, football, or another game, are just bitter. VG deserved second place; you can tell because they got second place.


It's just depressing b/c vici executed very well all tournament but then they say the team is total shit because of the finals - and that's all anyone will remember them for.
cbk486
Profile Joined July 2014
154 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 02:10:17
July 24 2014 02:07 GMT
#130


Could someone kindly translate this video? It was just posted on reddit.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 24 2014 03:50 GMT
#131
On July 24 2014 11:07 cbk486 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqf-RZ01Z70&feature=share

Could someone kindly translate this video? It was just posted on reddit.


At around 0:30
rOtk: we can reflect on this.
Super: let's not do this right now.
---
0:34
Super: Our preparations... our preparations and the game-- We should have changed our tactics.
---
0:47
rOtk: In this scenario, we had morphling viper. That counts as dual core. We should have broken through with dual core.
---
0:54
rOtK: we have relied on this "thing" to play, and we lost because of this thing. (It was vague what rOtk was talking about).
Super: We lost like this... this is so.. (sigh). The feeling of helplessness is too strong. I feel so helpless as I played.
---
1:22
Fy: we'll play again next year.

That's a pretty rough translation. Thanks to my friends kdgns for clarifying what heroes rOtk was talking about at 0:47.
cbk486
Profile Joined July 2014
154 Posts
July 24 2014 04:12 GMT
#132
On July 24 2014 12:50 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 11:07 cbk486 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqf-RZ01Z70&feature=share

Could someone kindly translate this video? It was just posted on reddit.


At around 0:30
rOtk: we can reflect on this.
Super: let's not do this right now.
---
0:34
Super: Our preparations... our preparations and the game-- We should have changed our tactics.
---
0:47
rOtk: In this scenario, we had morphling viper. That counts as dual core. We should have broken through with dual core.
---
0:54
rOtK: we have relied on this "thing" to play, and we lost because of this thing. (It was vague what rOtk was talking about).
Super: We lost like this... this is so.. (sigh). The feeling of helplessness is too strong. I feel so helpless as I played.
---
1:22
Fy: we'll play again next year.

That's a pretty rough translation. Thanks to my friends kdgns for clarifying what heroes rOtk was talking about at 0:47.


Thank you! They seem so defeated
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
July 24 2014 05:49 GMT
#133
FY such a fucking boss.

Vici peaked at the right time. Now they know their potential - they shouldn't be afraid to try and go beyond that. They're a young team, relatively, they have a lot more to give.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 24 2014 06:27 GMT
#134
VG were already the best team in the world, once, back when they won EMS and dominated D2L. too bad they fell off after that.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 25 2014 19:39 GMT
#135
Vici is back in China!
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VG's greatest strength is that their execution is top notch and decision-making is self-professed 60-40. They are willing to take risks and but are pushing the limits of play. That is pure awesome.

If they can expand on their range of strategies then they would will be hard to beat and exciting to watch.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 25 2014 19:43 GMT
#136
Or if they decided to stop being stubborn and stick with their usual strategy in the finals....
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
July 25 2014 20:27 GMT
#137
They played amazingly until the finals.

In the group stages and most of the playoffs, it was "We will kill you under your tower and then kill your tower. If that fails, we will fall back on farmed Morphling and try to win late."

During the finals, it was "KLIL THE TOEWERS!!!"
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 25 2014 22:54 GMT
#138
On July 26 2014 05:27 B1nary wrote:
They played amazingly until the finals.

In the group stages and most of the playoffs, it was "We will kill you under your tower and then kill your tower. If that fails, we will fall back on farmed Morphling and try to win late."

During the finals, it was "KLIL THE TOEWERS!!!"


yeah i always had faith in sylar's morph. it was incredibly strong and whenever he played morph their late game is solid.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 26 2014 01:48 GMT
#139
I'm glad some people actually realised that vici wasn't playing their usual style. The first picks made them very all in from the start. They had little flexibility with no team fight heroes like doom or tide to play their backup late game morph strategies. All they basically had were summons and wards for pushing. It was a drafting disaster.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 26 2014 01:55 GMT
#140
They did beat NB that way in the group stages though and ran over EG with the same idea.
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