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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
June 07 2014 10:09 GMT
#41
On June 07 2014 18:19 Ultimo Hombre wrote:
poor Fenrir never gets any love due to the sheer awesome of Fy


That's why we need to always talk in terms of F&F, Fenrir and Fy!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
June 08 2014 17:58 GMT
#42
I've never seen Super playing that passive((
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
sunnata
Profile Joined February 2008
Russian Federation228 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 03:21:17
June 09 2014 03:20 GMT
#43
I think they should consider switching some player positions. In my opinion, fy's potential isn't being used completely. He already makes some game-changing plays on support heroes, but it really feels like mid is where he truly belongs to, and his impact on the game could be bigger. Also, from what I saw, Super's and rOtk's performance was pretty underwhelming at The Summit. Drafting should be rehashed too, very strange Enchantress first-round picks.

Hope they'll learn from this tournament, third place isn't that bad, but I hope they'll aim (and perform) for top spot in ESL One.
Only way to know the future is to make it.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 09 2014 03:27 GMT
#44
i hope VG step it up soon, especially super, he's been a bit off his game i think
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 03:44:42
June 09 2014 03:44 GMT
#45
On June 09 2014 12:20 sunnata wrote:
I think they should consider switching some player positions. In my opinion, fy's potential isn't being used completely. He already makes some game-changing plays on support heroes, but it really feels like mid is where he truly belongs to, and his impact on the game could be bigger. Also, from what I saw, Super's and rOtk's performance was pretty underwhelming at The Summit. Drafting should be rehashed too, very strange Enchantress first-round picks.

Hope they'll learn from this tournament, third place isn't that bad, but I hope they'll aim (and perform) for top spot in ESL One.

its not specifically a VG problem: chinas overvaluing enchantress right now. its still a very good hero, but not first round pickable
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Ultimo Hombre
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia1436 Posts
June 09 2014 04:03 GMT
#46
the overvaluing of enchantress probably has a lot to do with banana overrunning people with it during NB's dominant run
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
June 09 2014 04:28 GMT
#47
I don't think VG should switch their player positions. The thing that Fy does exceptionally well is how much he can do with little farm. Give him a blink dagger and he can make things happen.

I do wish that Super would play more of an initiator and rOtK a little less of one. rOtK essentially plays 4 heroes-- bat, doom, nature's prophet, and clock, and when he's shut down or makes rOtK plays, the role of initiation rests solely on Fy. Super can get more reliable farm at mid, and we know he can play heroes like storm spirit quite well.
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
June 12 2014 02:16 GMT
#48
On June 09 2014 13:28 bearbuddy wrote:
I don't think VG should switch their player positions. The thing that Fy does exceptionally well is how much he can do with little farm. Give him a blink dagger and he can make things happen.

I do wish that Super would play more of an initiator and rOtK a little less of one. rOtK essentially plays 4 heroes-- bat, doom, nature's prophet, and clock, and when he's shut down or makes rOtK plays, the role of initiation rests solely on Fy. Super can get more reliable farm at mid, and we know he can play heroes like storm spirit quite well.

Don't forget bristles. bb feels like such an rOtk hero.
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
June 12 2014 02:48 GMT
#49
On June 12 2014 11:16 tauon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 13:28 bearbuddy wrote:
I don't think VG should switch their player positions. The thing that Fy does exceptionally well is how much he can do with little farm. Give him a blink dagger and he can make things happen.

I do wish that Super would play more of an initiator and rOtK a little less of one. rOtK essentially plays 4 heroes-- bat, doom, nature's prophet, and clock, and when he's shut down or makes rOtK plays, the role of initiation rests solely on Fy. Super can get more reliable farm at mid, and we know he can play heroes like storm spirit quite well.

Don't forget bristles. bb feels like such an rOtk hero.


Yeah, but I've seen Sylar play that hero more often than rOtK
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
June 14 2014 06:58 GMT
#50
Hope you guys didn't see the game today against Newbee T_T
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-14 07:22:13
June 14 2014 07:20 GMT
#51
It's a miserable Bo1 and xiao8 severely outdrafted rOtk, Super!'s Brewmaster just doesn't cut against top-tier teams. Give him Storm, TA, Puck, Doom, DK or even Pugna, then we will have a talk.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 20 2014 17:15 GMT
#52
http://www.eslgaming.com/interview/veni-vidi-vici-vici-gaming-set-conquer-esl-one
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schmitty9800
Profile Joined August 2010
United States390 Posts
June 22 2014 15:36 GMT
#53
I hope they do well at ESL-One...it seems like they're doing well in Chinese tournaments but can't break through to win any of them.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-28 17:00:41
June 28 2014 16:59 GMT
#54
Well, out of ESL. WTF does QQQ even do as a coach? Every time I see his interview, he just keeps saying to minimize mistakes, play better, etc etc. Ultimately, they play the same strats, don't tailor them to opponents, and keep picking heroes that they have had little success with.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 28 2014 17:02 GMT
#55
sigh
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
June 30 2014 07:10 GMT
#56
VG need to get their mojo back. It's so puzzling to see the amount of talent they have continuously under perform, and sometimes choke, in important games. The supports can only carry things so far.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
June 30 2014 08:58 GMT
#57
i really hope they do. super and rotk need to step up their game
FTD
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
June 30 2014 09:06 GMT
#58
They are as good as any other team in taking towers. But come high ground time (whether on offense or defense), they need polishing.
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 09:55:26
June 30 2014 09:54 GMT
#59
On June 09 2014 12:20 sunnata wrote:
I think they should consider switching some player positions. In my opinion, fy's potential isn't being used completely. He already makes some game-changing plays on support heroes, but it really feels like mid is where he truly belongs to, and his impact on the game could be bigger. Also, from what I saw, Super's and rOtk's performance was pretty underwhelming at The Summit. Drafting should be rehashed too, very strange Enchantress first-round picks.

Hope they'll learn from this tournament, third place isn't that bad, but I hope they'll aim (and perform) for top spot in ESL One.


Consistently making plays and winning 1v1 tournaments do not make you a good solomid. That position requires more than those.
But this post indeed pointed the right direction into VG main problem : no playmakers.
Super is always passive laner, but he could make it up with his teamfight and midgame control. Kinda like S4 except Super sucks on them now. Meanwhile, ROTK is never a playmaker.
They lead to heavy burden to fy and Sylar. fy is a great support, but since he makes all VG plays, no wonder people keep hyping him up to the extent of the overrating. And poor Sylar, he must opt for midgame carry and cannot maximise his heropool because of his team limitation. With no one holding midgame, he will rarely pick any farmer because the opponent will steamroll first.

So, seriously Super, step up your game.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Ultimo Hombre
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia1436 Posts
June 30 2014 23:31 GMT
#60
^ Basically. Because of how they play, they rely so much on Super doing well, rOtk cant make space for Sylar and control the mid game and set the tempo, add the fact that rOtk is notoriously hit or miss its just unfeasible, support heroes can only contribute so much
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