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midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
June 30 2017 07:29 GMT
#4621
I guess now is the best time to try for Resolution. A captain from the CIS scene will be the hardest to find. If they can poach Cema that would be the best case scenario imo.
PandaRed
Profile Joined June 2016
France58 Posts
June 30 2017 10:09 GMT
#4622
If Resolution come to NaVi, i wonder if Misery could come as a captain ...
"Everyone must forget the words CARRY/SUPPORT/GANKER, this is all rubbish. If you want to be useful, to win the game, you must play on all heroes, instead of crying like a baby when you have to play carry" - Puppey
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 30 2017 11:16 GMT
#4623
Question is Misery an upgrade? He certainly has the history and pedigree.
Get it by your hands...
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
July 01 2017 17:11 GMT
#4624
Having a GOOD captain is always an upgrade

look at OG, bar Ana/Miracle/Cr1t, etc... they aret exactly the most incredibly awesome players ever, but great discipline and tactics can net you so much
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 01 2017 18:25 GMT
#4625
I mean that's the question for Misery, is he a good captain?
Get it by your hands...
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 01 2017 18:49 GMT
#4626
Misery is blatantly better than every player on Na'Vi. Dunno how this is even a question.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44134 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 18:55:13
July 01 2017 18:54 GMT
#4627
I'm curious. Would there be a possibility for dendi to join other teams(assuming somebody invites him or he and others formed a team ) or is he too deeply connected to the organization that he probably wouldn't ? This is assuming that the team he is about to join already has a org and his future teammates would not be willing to leave for navi

On July 02 2017 03:25 Judicator wrote:
I mean that's the question for Misery, is he a good captain?

Well he "can" be a good captain as we've seen with dc's performance they seem to be alright (i mean generally since TI6) but having a good captain isn't enough, the composition(any of the current and previous teams who performed didn't just perform because they had a good captain but because they also capitalized on what their players are good at and the team overall is actually good) has to be right for the captain to make it work and the other question that pops is that if Misery can continually be a good captain under different kind of team lineup(like puppey can certainly captain but this year shown secret took waayy too long and too many failures to be even decent and that's just decent ).

And lets say he actually ends up with navi, what will happen with w33ha(the two seem stuck together) would w33ha also end up in navi (there's also resolution)? if so who will move out of the midlane will dendi or w33ha move. W33ha obviously is the better midlaner but would that move alienate dendi as he moves to the 1 position , or would dendi be willing to move ? or will w33ha move to the safelane and would he be the one who will end up alienated ? (plenty of midlaners moves to safelane such as arteezy/resolution but the example who still performed at the safelane position are actually heavy farming players to begin with so the transition wasn't that difficult and they managed to retain what they were good at). There's also misery ends up with navi w33ha/resolution could also join or both which would mean one of them would've to move from their respective position.

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RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
July 01 2017 19:10 GMT
#4628
Misery's team was literally composed of guys who were kicked on short notice and needed a team, and their pieces all managed to fit together. He moved from offlane on Secret to support and took on being captain because nobody else would. The most famous highlight of his career thus far has a guy yelling "a captain who didn't even want to captain" on top of it. :b

w33 played like he wanted to be a streamer. There were flashes, but it was like watching Singsing playing today. I liked the guy a year ago, two years ago, but he played like he wanted to get back to PUBG quickly.
* N U K E D *
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44134 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 19:41:56
July 01 2017 19:34 GMT
#4629
Sure they were the pieces conveniently fit but misery still captained and it just happens that the team fit well along with the meta perfectly complemented their playstyle (also helps when the team isn't imploding inside) but as i've said misery can captain since we've seen the results it's just the matter if the lineup is right.

W33 in this state is still better than dendi's mid if we are to talk about who should play mid if both are in the same team, w33ha could actually carry games . This is no longer the case of "the player doesn't have a team that makes him shine" since we've seen players suma1l and rtz(when he still played mid ) before they played on EG actually perform well on other teams. You could tell that w33ha is still a good midplayer even when Planet Odd is not at their good form . It's like rtz/miracles impressive farming pattern, or ramzes/noone/zai ability to make plays even if the team they're playing aren't playing that well together, like those skills still show up. Still though dendi just needs the team he is in with incredible synergy + clear playstyle + the rest has to be good so that he can shine.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 02 2017 01:30 GMT
#4630
IMO w33 is better than Dendi but not that much to make a difference. Again what navi needs is a good captain and a reliable carry. Pajkatt was a shit captain and a shit carry. Ditya was an inconsistent carry and out of sync with his teammates.

Without a good captain, navi will never be relevant again.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 02 2017 11:13 GMT
#4631
You all make some good points, my gut take on this is that Misery probably is the best available captain to them, but I still don't think he would get the team back to where they want to be, aka I don't think he's good fit unless the team can show results immediately or Navi actually blows up their core in some way (role shifting).
Get it by your hands...
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
July 16 2017 13:05 GMT
#4632
I dreamed Resolution wanted to come to NaVi!! Lol.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-19 23:50:51
July 19 2017 23:50 GMT
#4633
Painful insight: dendis first absence from TI since 2010.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
July 30 2017 14:11 GMT
#4634
4 is back (as coach) http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/xboct_to_coach_navi_dota2
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
July 31 2017 16:04 GMT
#4635
While I bet that Pajkatt is a phenomenal human being I'm glad he's now gone from navi. Didn't like the way he played his role.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 31 2017 17:49 GMT
#4636
About time. Biver did not much wrong though.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
July 31 2017 18:28 GMT
#4637
Well, he was trying to carry and captain in a team where the captain does not have the last word. It might have affected his performance and hero pool, since he was the one with most stuff to work on outside his role.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 09:22:54
August 01 2017 09:22 GMT
#4638
On August 01 2017 03:28 Pontual wrote:
Well, he was trying to carry and captain in a team where the captain does not have the last word. It might have affected his performance and hero pool, since he was the one with most stuff to work on outside his role.


??? How many teams do you know where the captain has the last word? Are you inside the boot or something?
For all we know he had the last word given how he AFK farmed and did not carry at all.
This stigma of NaVi not giving captains the respect started with FNG and had another chapter with who? PSM? Goblak?, stop making something out of nothing.

Every team has its dynamic and we will never know what it is like. Last time I saw EG, Sumail was drafting, does that mean Cr1t doesn't have the last word? We all know Sumail plays what HE wants, the players said it. So? What do we make out of it? Should we blame Sumail for not paying respects to Cr1t when they fail? It either works or it doesn't, period. They part ways and go separate ways.

And if Paj didn't indeed have the last word, that shows how good a captain he is. He didn't draft good, he didn't play good, he didn't coordinate nor had a plan, from the beginning.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
August 01 2017 09:29 GMT
#4639
You know the common factor in all these failed Navi teams; Dendi
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 13:27:16
August 01 2017 13:27 GMT
#4640
On August 01 2017 18:29 wims80 wrote:
You know the common factor in all these failed Navi teams; Dendi


You know a common factor in all the successful Na'vi teams ? Yeahh...
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