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Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
August 01 2017 13:31 GMT
#4641
On August 01 2017 22:27 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 18:29 wims80 wrote:
You know the common factor in all these failed Navi teams; Dendi


You know a common factor in all the successful Na'vi teams ? Yeahh...

Puppey lol
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 01 2017 13:42 GMT
#4642
On August 01 2017 22:31 Pontual wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 22:27 Rebs wrote:
On August 01 2017 18:29 wims80 wrote:
You know the common factor in all these failed Navi teams; Dendi


You know a common factor in all the successful Na'vi teams ? Yeahh...

Puppey lol


and Xboct..
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
August 01 2017 14:57 GMT
#4643
welp odd disbanded

and they are separating each other

navi.resolution incoming and hopefully navi.misery
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 18:03:08
August 01 2017 18:02 GMT
#4644
On August 01 2017 18:29 wims80 wrote:
You know the common factor in all these failed Navi teams; Dendi

Much argument. You may not like him but blaming it all on him is plain ignorant.

On August 01 2017 23:57 Faruko wrote:
welp odd disbanded

and they are separating each other

navi.resolution incoming and hopefully navi.misery

Would be nice, if he can give some direction to the team. Lets see.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
August 01 2017 18:35 GMT
#4645
I dont think dendi as a mid is the reason for navi's downfall, sure not top5 or something but he rarely gets destroyed mid from early/mid game.

Problem starts when lanes stop and you have to start coming up with a real plan to win, and i doubt changing dendi from mid to another position would fix these problems.

Of course getting a top tier mid would be awesome and changing dondo to offlane (which is the new mid in terms of game pacing and controlling the tempo, which is dendi best role overall) would be a good change, but doubt would fix everything and make them a top tier team again
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Barkley
Profile Joined August 2015
Brazil103 Posts
August 01 2017 19:46 GMT
#4646
Not like Dendi never played farming mids before and not like all teams need a SumaiL-esque type of middle laner. GeneraL is a great offlaner when he's on point and he has good chemstry with Sonneiko and Dendi as we've seen last year. Transitioning Dendi to offlane is unnecessary.

Na'Vi problems since last year was lack of broader game plan, and Pajkatt did not solve it. Resolution as a carry with Misery as a captain could give the boost these players need in confidence, since the skill is there already.
"This guy, he always gets second place."
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 01:51:35
August 02 2017 01:51 GMT
#4647
I smell reso + return of The Hallowed One woooh. Hopefully after a year's break and VP winning TI has reignited The Tzar of Teamfight's passion to return as a player! The lineup is 1 year late, but who cares!
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
August 02 2017 06:26 GMT
#4648
On August 02 2017 10:51 DucK- wrote:
I smell reso + return of The Hallowed One woooh. Hopefully after a year's break and VP winning TI has reignited The Tzar of Teamfight's passion to return as a player! The lineup is 1 year late, but who cares!

Where do I sign?
-DI- THE TIN MAN
Profile Joined May 2017
Zambia4 Posts
August 15 2017 18:54 GMT
#4649
I don't think the problem with the Last few Navi teams has anything to do with Dendi's ability, nor that of Sonneiko or General. Dendi is able to hold his own with the best I have heard the argument that he is too old school but I find that baffling. General is a player who gets better with every game, admittedly there are some aspects of his game he could improve but unless Navi can sign IceIceIce then hes the best for the team at the moment. Sonneiko also in my opinion is one of the best supports in the world, very few people could be brought in to improve on him, Navi realized this when they released him and then had the god sense to re sign him. Navi has lacked most in the Carry department. Ever since Xboct was let go they have failed to find someone who is able to synergize well consistenty with the others. Ditya Ra was good for a while and his ability to play a wide range of heroes was a plus but he seemed at best a short term solution, Pajkatt on the other hand I always felt was limited by his hero pool and the fact that he was captain adversely affected Navi, the repetition of some of his strategies was incredibly annoying and the ease with witch the opposition could destroy Navi right from the draft was debilitating, Resolution has always in my opinion been the solution to Navi's carry problem. The way he synergized superbly with Dendi and General when playing for Team Ukraine got me all moist in the unmentionables, He is a top tier Carry and god knows there are very few of those available, Matu, RTZ, Monet, Hao and Ramzes666 to name a few. Navi need a carry who is able to switch roles with Dendi if need be to be able to play in many different strats like EG or Liquid do, the failing of the last few teams teams is that they were very limited in strats and as a result they were very predictable. And finally they need a captain. Misery has been touted and he seems the best available option him being able to play position 4 or 5 is a plus. People have been saying Reso and Misery are going to be in high demand, that is true but for whom? The Top teams in the world have stable squads and very few of them will be willing to jeorpadize that just to sign one of them. I also dont see them taking a reduced role in another team when the prospect of playing for Navi is present. Well now we can only hope that Navi have good sense to go all out to sign these guys.
f0xteam
Profile Joined December 2015
79 Posts
August 15 2017 19:41 GMT
#4650
On August 16 2017 03:54 -DI- THE TIN MAN wrote:
I don't think the problem with the Last few Navi teams has anything to do with Dendi's ability, nor that of Sonneiko or General. Dendi is able to hold his own with the best I have heard the argument that he is too old school but I find that baffling. General is a player who gets better with every game, admittedly there are some aspects of his game he could improve but unless Navi can sign IceIceIce then hes the best for the team at the moment. Sonneiko also in my opinion is one of the best supports in the world, very few people could be brought in to improve on him, Navi realized this when they released him and then had the god sense to re sign him. Navi has lacked most in the Carry department. Ever since Xboct was let go they have failed to find someone who is able to synergize well consistenty with the others. Ditya Ra was good for a while and his ability to play a wide range of heroes was a plus but he seemed at best a short term solution, Pajkatt on the other hand I always felt was limited by his hero pool and the fact that he was captain adversely affected Navi, the repetition of some of his strategies was incredibly annoying and the ease with witch the opposition could destroy Navi right from the draft was debilitating, Resolution has always in my opinion been the solution to Navi's carry problem. The way he synergized superbly with Dendi and General when playing for Team Ukraine got me all moist in the unmentionables, He is a top tier Carry and god knows there are very few of those available, Matu, RTZ, Monet, Hao and Ramzes666 to name a few. Navi need a carry who is able to switch roles with Dendi if need be to be able to play in many different strats like EG or Liquid do, the failing of the last few teams teams is that they were very limited in strats and as a result they were very predictable. And finally they need a captain. Misery has been touted and he seems the best available option him being able to play position 4 or 5 is a plus. People have been saying Reso and Misery are going to be in high demand, that is true but for whom? The Top teams in the world have stable squads and very few of them will be willing to jeorpadize that just to sign one of them. I also dont see them taking a reduced role in another team when the prospect of playing for Navi is present. Well now we can only hope that Navi have good sense to go all out to sign these guys.


you say navi needs a carry able to switch lanes with Dendi but i wonder can Dendi deliver in the safelane?
kek
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
August 15 2017 20:58 GMT
#4651
chill guys, Artstyle will come back to play carry+captain and we'll see a navi vs liquid TI final. you heard it here first
fromis_9 enjoyer
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 16 2017 05:33 GMT
#4652
Only issue i have with misery is that it means navi would have to communicate in English. Not sure how big of an issue that was with pajkatt roster, but wouldn't it be weird that 4 cis have to speak English cuz only 1 can't speak their language?

Artstyle is still first choice for me. But he feels too happy at VP, so we may really need to look for alternatives.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
August 16 2017 14:25 GMT
#4653
On August 16 2017 14:33 DucK- wrote:
Only issue i have with misery is that it means navi would have to communicate in English. Not sure how big of an issue that was with pajkatt roster, but wouldn't it be weird that 4 cis have to speak English cuz only 1 can't speak their language?

Artstyle is still first choice for me. But he feels too happy at VP, so we may really need to look for alternatives.

Na'vi players said times and times again that the problem was not in comunication, I have 0 hopes for na'vi long as they don't build their team from 0. Just like VP did after not qualifying to ti6, kick everyone and build a good team.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
August 16 2017 19:52 GMT
#4654
I believe Reso will end up going to Liquid if Matu goes to the army.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
August 16 2017 20:09 GMT
#4655
On August 17 2017 04:52 Racket wrote:
I believe Reso will end up going to Liquid if Matu goes to the army.

Matu can delay army until 28, as he is a proeminent esport person. He said it on stream.
MiracleAmerBarqawi
Profile Joined July 2017
3 Posts
August 24 2017 13:34 GMT
#4656
When will dendi get kicked?
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
August 24 2017 16:24 GMT
#4657
never
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
August 24 2017 16:31 GMT
#4658
as much as navi sucks

dendi is pretty much a marketing gold mine when it comes to Dota

kinda hard to let it go
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 22:31:46
August 24 2017 20:23 GMT
#4659
On August 25 2017 01:31 Faruko wrote:
as much as navi sucks

dendi is pretty much a marketing gold mine when it comes to Dota

kinda hard to let it go

Marketing goldmine? How is that? Its not like they sell millions of dendi jerseys right? So how is dendi making money for Navi? They also dont even qualify for anything, and dendi doesnt stream much. so where is the money coming from? And i dont think navi still somehow being popular because of dendi is enough at this point. Am i missing something? explain plz
-DI- THE TIN MAN
Profile Joined May 2017
Zambia4 Posts
August 24 2017 20:43 GMT
#4660
I still really believe that Navi will manage to snag reso. And as for Navi if they manage to somehow convince artstyle to come back my God that would be amazing. I think that yeah the communication thing could be a problem with misery on the team but hey, who else you gonna get? And what happened to Lightofheaven?
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