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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3330 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 15:41:59
June 27 2017 15:41 GMT
#4581
If they beat Effect and then one of Spirit or Vega, it seems we have a chance of going to the next stage. If we beat all 3 of our remaining opponents, then we should advance without a hiccup. Spirit and Vega play each other so one of them is going to drop a game there. Also Vega play us, Spirit, and M19, so hopefully they lose more than 1 from those 3 games.
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 27 2017 21:56 GMT
#4582
Well, at least this is the end of Pajkatt's era, right?
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 22:25:51
June 27 2017 22:13 GMT
#4583
damn TI without navi? wouldve been unthinkable at the very least 3 years ago. But I guess the team needs this so that they can actually start rebuilding and aim to compete at the highest level again, not the usual half-assed attempts we are seeing these past few years.
fromis_9 enjoyer
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 27 2017 22:45 GMT
#4584
On June 28 2017 06:56 Racket wrote:
Well, at least this is the end of Pajkatt's era, right?


Hopefully all of them.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 27 2017 23:35 GMT
#4585
Well at least I can root for the Moon Lord with a clear conscience. Still sucks but I expected this result.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
June 27 2017 23:44 GMT
#4586
On June 28 2017 06:56 Racket wrote:
Well, at least this is the end of Pajkatt's era, right?


Let's hope so. Worst Na'Vi ever.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 28 2017 00:10 GMT
#4587
Hooray! No more pajkatt!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 28 2017 00:11 GMT
#4588
On June 28 2017 08:44 _Elendil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 06:56 Racket wrote:
Well, at least this is the end of Pajkatt's era, right?


Let's hope so. Worst Na'Vi ever.


That would be PSM....
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3330 Posts
June 28 2017 00:48 GMT
#4589
i guess i can full on cheer for liquid now. sigh so torn about navi. hope they do what they need to rebuikd. fricking open qualifier team played better than them they should be ashamed
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 01:36:22
June 28 2017 01:35 GMT
#4590
They beat every team except for the four that ranked above them. (And those four wound up tied as well.)

Just right on the cusp, locked out because they couldn't beat any of the four qualified teams by their own hands. And with those four teams tied, you can't even say "well they lost because [team] threw to Comanche" or something along those lines.
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Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 06:22:21
June 28 2017 06:22 GMT
#4591
On June 28 2017 10:35 RubickPicker wrote:
They beat every team except for the four that ranked above them. (And those four wound up tied as well.)

Just right on the cusp, locked out because they couldn't beat any of the four qualified teams by their own hands. And with those four teams tied, you can't even say "well they lost because [team] threw to Comanche" or something along those lines.


It's amazing to me how a team with their experience and resources performs worse than a 2 week old pubstack. Like, no shame in losing to Empire, Vega, or Team Spirit (I mean it's not ideal but at least those are 'somewhat' decent teams that can pull out upsets even against T1 opponents at times etc...), but seeing Funn1k stack doing so much better than a team that was supposedly the result of careful planning and deliberation, had months of training, bootcamps, live tournaments etc? Dunno, man.

I want XBOCT back :-(
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 28 2017 06:45 GMT
#4592
I don't want to start the same discussion with had forty times all over again.

The players are individually good, they just need a captain. Pajkatt is not him and he is clearly not in sync with the way the others play. After Sonneiko took over they did relatively better but Pajkatt is playing his own game.
We have seen this a lot of times already and the one and only who brought balance to NaVi over the last 3 years was ArtStyle, be it with Xboct and Funnik or without them.

Hope they find a captain and a carry that can make them play with direction. Someone with a plan.
There is no need to kick all five of them and even if they did so, there is zero chance they can build a competitive team with just 5 new guys with the players CIS has to offer. The org already tried picking the newcomers and look what they did, picking five won't make it any better.
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
June 28 2017 09:08 GMT
#4593
If they get a captain, they're probably going to have to drop one of these supports. Not a lot of people captain from the core position for some reason. Three of the teams that ranked above them will not qualify and be in the same boat, so maybe moves can happen faster than the post-TI reshuffle we're all used to.
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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 28 2017 09:28 GMT
#4594
Yep, IMO Pajkatt must go. And as you say, there are not a lot of capable core captains, so my next change would be Biver. Why? Because Sonneiko is better, has more experience and makes less mistakes.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 28 2017 10:37 GMT
#4595
We can just pray that Freedom/DC takes the 2nd NA slot, then reso decides to leave Odd for Navi. And of course artstyle returns because the dream team is finally possible.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 28 2017 10:50 GMT
#4596
Piecat in thae last game against Vega was absolutely trash, NA just destroyed Biver and Sonneiko and Piecats response was to be decisively indecisive. Both games against Empire and Vega were very winnable.
Get it by your hands...
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 28 2017 10:52 GMT
#4597
On June 28 2017 19:37 DucK- wrote:
We can just pray that Freedom/DC takes the 2nd NA slot, then reso decides to leave Odd for Navi. And of course artstyle returns because the dream team is finally possible.


For the realistic teams, I like it.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 28 2017 11:45 GMT
#4598
On June 28 2017 19:52 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 19:37 DucK- wrote:
We can just pray that Freedom/DC takes the 2nd NA slot, then reso decides to leave Odd for Navi. And of course artstyle returns because the dream team is finally possible.


For the realistic teams, I like it.

I would still go with the PPD/Fear one.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 28 2017 22:52 GMT
#4599
LightOfHeaven: Pajkatt and Biver to leave, Na'Vi will be looking for 2 talented players, especially in CIS region, after 'awful' EU+CIS experience. Announcement soon.

ARS-ART: No one from CIS want to become a Na'Vi player, almost no one.

Community rumors: Dendi and Pajkatt had some 'serious issues' during qualifiers, the team wasn't a 'team' at all, no one wants to join Na'Vi because of Dendi still playing.

____________________

These are rumors, but they seem true. Not sure how I feel about this, I still think getting a new roster with 5 new players is the way to go, because apparently no proven player wants to join them anyway (not surprising tbh). If they still want to keep Dendi (which imo is a mistake) and keep milking his persona, perhaps they'll be smart enough to relegate him to pos 4 or 5, or if they decide to keep him as pos2 they'll be switching captains all the time until "the perfect one" comes along to guide the mighty Dendi hur dur lul.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
June 29 2017 02:16 GMT
#4600
I think Navi should make two teams: Team with Sonneiko + 4 up-and-coming CIS players, and team with Dendi/General + 3 EU players.

Not that it'll happen, though. Org doesn't care as much, especially when it Navi already is it's owners "B-team" behind VP.
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