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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3330 Posts
June 15 2017 17:57 GMT
#4561
Just hoping for a new Ramzes style player to be picked up by navi
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 15 2017 20:05 GMT
#4562
Hey we beat VGJ!
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 15 2017 20:34 GMT
#4563
DENDI PUCK
DENDI QOP
BEAT TOP TEAM!
NA'VI ROAD TO TI!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 16 2017 00:25 GMT
#4564
On June 10 2017 15:29 Racket wrote:
I got it!
NaVi has to sign PPD and Fear. Done. A good captain and a good carry. Done.
See you at TI7 finals. Done.


That would be legit actually.
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
June 16 2017 00:35 GMT
#4565
Well, back to earth.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 16 2017 01:40 GMT
#4566
On June 16 2017 09:25 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 15:29 Racket wrote:
I got it!
NaVi has to sign PPD and Fear. Done. A good captain and a good carry. Done.
See you at TI7 finals. Done.


That would be legit actually.


One can dream.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 08:10:53
June 16 2017 08:10 GMT
#4567
Don't get why Navi didn't pickup Ramzes before he got signed to VPro
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 16 2017 08:56 GMT
#4568
On June 16 2017 17:10 deadmau wrote:
Don't get why Navi didn't pickup Ramzes before he got signed to VPro


They probably spent most of that time trying to get reso instead
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 16 2017 09:23 GMT
#4569
Still a damn good shot for TI though right?
VP is getting a direct slot
So all Na'vi has to do is be the king of TIer2 in CIS
And taking some games off of T1 teams while losing most is all the kind og the second best has to do
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 16 2017 11:35 GMT
#4570
On June 16 2017 18:23 LemOn wrote:
Still a damn good shot for TI though right?
VP is getting a direct slot
So all Na'vi has to do is be the king of TIer2 in CIS
And taking some games off of T1 teams while losing most is all the kind og the second best has to do

As long as Pajkatt doesn't go back to drafting, I guess.
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
June 16 2017 22:36 GMT
#4571
honestly i cant see them be up to par with the other t1 teams but yeah they're about the best t2 team in the cis scene right now.
Keep moving forward
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
June 17 2017 11:24 GMT
#4572
But "best t2 team in the cis scene" is like "best australian football team" right now.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 17 2017 13:20 GMT
#4573
On June 17 2017 20:24 _Elendil wrote:
But "best t2 team in the cis scene" is like "best australian football team" right now.

You are right, but I gotta say, you are really pissed at them, aren't you?
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 13:45:29
June 17 2017 13:42 GMT
#4574
On June 10 2017 15:29 Racket wrote:
I got it!
NaVi has to sign PPD and Fear. Done. A good captain and a good carry. Done.
See you at TI7 finals. Done.

Yeah, now all that has to happen is that PPD and Fear give up their shared CEO position for EG and don't get any better offers and dont kick RTZ (who will sign a verbal contract with Secret) and bench Zai.
So they can get signed by Navi
low gravity, yes-yes!
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
June 17 2017 13:46 GMT
#4575
On June 17 2017 22:20 Racket wrote:
You are right, but I gotta say, you are really pissed at them, aren't you?


I think it's incredible that a team with a strong organization and talented players can't fine a decent captain in 4 years.
The only decent moment has been with Artstyle, at least we could win some tournament and qualify for Majors, but Artstyle had a few options because of his limits as player and a subpar carry (til I like Ditya, he is not a T1 carry, really).

I see other teams having better moments and worse moments, but all are capable to find an equilibrium in a few months.
I can't understand how pajikatt seemed a good idea to them. All is so random.

Watch VP. With Artstyle as coach they became one of the best teams in the world.
Watch their match vs Secrets: Secrets know perfectly what Na'Vi are trying to do and anticipate them.
Watch their matches at Epicenter: while other team rotates and kill mid undisturbed, Na'Vi supports rotates and die.
At min 30 Pajikatt is still afk farming, and when the other team is getting racks he hasn't even a TP.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 17 2017 19:56 GMT
#4576
On June 17 2017 22:46 _Elendil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 22:20 Racket wrote:
You are right, but I gotta say, you are really pissed at them, aren't you?


I think it's incredible that a team with a strong organization and talented players can't fine a decent captain in 4 years.
The only decent moment has been with Artstyle, at least we could win some tournament and qualify for Majors, but Artstyle had a few options because of his limits as player and a subpar carry (til I like Ditya, he is not a T1 carry, really).

I see other teams having better moments and worse moments, but all are capable to find an equilibrium in a few months.
I can't understand how pajikatt seemed a good idea to them. All is so random.

Watch VP. With Artstyle as coach they became one of the best teams in the world.
Watch their match vs Secrets: Secrets know perfectly what Na'Vi are trying to do and anticipate them.
Watch their matches at Epicenter: while other team rotates and kill mid undisturbed, Na'Vi supports rotates and die.
At min 30 Pajikatt is still afk farming, and when the other team is getting racks he hasn't even a TP.

You are not wrong. We all feel the same frustration. I don't think the problem is any player in particular. The organization has been doing wrongs long enough already. They should have done the impossible to keep ArtStyle, if not as captain/player, at least as coach. There is room for improvement, but not like this. Sadly, we can only cheer.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
June 17 2017 20:24 GMT
#4577
Its very simple - captain or bust.
if the boys in yellow don't find someone that understands the game who can solder the gaps between them this is not going to work.
Pretty much same thing is happening to Alliance for couple of years. No real captain that fits the meta, and their last games before loda left looked like they were playing a random pub game. Most of the games Na'Vi look the same. I didn't watch the games against VGJ but probably they won because VGJ played worse than navi did. All their games with real opponents they cant even get close to having a chance of wining a game. Couple of won fights here and there and thats it.
You need a lot more to be relevant these days...
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 18 2017 02:11 GMT
#4578
On June 17 2017 20:24 _Elendil wrote:
But "best t2 team in the cis scene" is like "best australian football team" right now.


Big difference though. The former let's you qualify for tournaments despite being shit, the latter is useless because you can't get pass SEA teams in qualifiers.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 21 2017 20:03 GMT
#4579
Just posting this because I think the paintings iniative is quite cool:
RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
June 27 2017 08:15 GMT
#4580
I agree they need a captain. It'll be interesting to see what they do, given that Odd is looking poor and Dog is looking great. j4 for Sonneiko?
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