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MyaurA
United States50 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 25 2016 02:12 yotsuna wrote: Good point, that is a worry not sure their 4 protect Aui midgame works anymore especially since DC tried and failed at it so badly Aui went back on carry.........but you never know what the new patch may bring and it's not like beggars can be choosers. One thing that EG stopped doing in 6.86 was switching Sumail & Arteezy around. Though they did flip Arteezy to the Off-lane as Lone Druid one time. I wonder if we'll see the occasional shifting around with certain line ups. Not that EG hadn't used Fear as the 2nd core in a lot of Enigma games. But it's also possible that Aui can adjust better. Hopefully the meta opens back up again in 6.87. The 6.86 meta, after the nerfs, kind of ended up in a pretty boring place. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On March 25 2016 02:25 MyaurA wrote: Just heard via twitter that it is going to be Aui and Bulba fear sumail bulba aui ppd EE just "confirmed" this on stream... in that order: Aui, Sumail, Bulba, Fear and Ppd. Aui carry is not my biggest concern, im more interested to see how well Bulba can be... I dont have the highest hopes for him sadly, hoping he can prove me (and everyone els) wrong. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
I'm going to say early on that I think Fear is a better carry than Aui if Aui gets the 1. Aui is a really noncommital nervous carry sometimes. Fear is a man's carry that commits hard, accurately, and goes balls deep when he needs to. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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goody153
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On March 25 2016 03:03 Atoissen wrote: EE just "confirmed" this on stream... in that order: Aui, Sumail, Bulba, Fear and Ppd. Aui carry is not my biggest concern, im more interested to see how well Bulba can be... I dont have the highest hopes for him sadly, hoping he can prove me (and everyone els) wrong. Oh yeah. Aui should be familiar with the carry playstyle due to his greedy support (and the more obvious he played carry before), bulba is the concern but like the discussion in the rtz/universe news thread about zai could replace him later. On March 25 2016 03:13 lolnoty wrote: I'm glad it's confirmed. I'll be glad to cheer for this version of the roster. I don't expect they'll win as much, but they're pretty damned NA. I'm going to say early on that I think Fear is a better carry than Aui if Aui gets the 1. Aui is a really noncommital nervous carry sometimes. Fear is a man's carry that commits hard, accurately, and goes balls deep when he needs to. Aui's carry should be fine maybe he has less hero flexibility than fear but he should be able to do his job as long as the entire backbone is good. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On March 25 2016 03:15 goody153 wrote: Oh yeah. Aui should be familiar with the carry playstyle due to his greedy support (and the more obvious he played carry before), bulba is the concern but like the discussion in the rtz/universe news thread about zai could replace him later. Aui's carry should be fine maybe he has less hero flexibility than fear but he should be able to do his job as long as the entire backbone is good. Aui is like a TC carry imo. He farms well, he avoids danger... he farms well, he avoids danger... he farms well, he avoids danger. Fear does that too but can and has often played aggressive, early fighting carries and shows really strong risk assessment on where he commits himself. RTZ also has insane risk assessment. Contrary to people hating on RTZ dying, carries NEED to leverage themselves for gains on the map which requires risks. Often times RTZ and Fear commit themselves in ways where the risk/reward for dying or not in a situation is favorable, as opposed to carries that just Farm Well, Avoid danger... Maybe he can prove me wrong, but my image of Aui in dignitas has me skeptical he's up to fear/rtz's level of carry. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
On March 25 2016 03:20 lolnoty wrote: Aui is like a TC carry imo. He farms well, he avoids danger... he farms well, he avoids danger... he farms well, he avoids danger. Fear does that too but can and has often played aggressive, early fighting carries and shows really strong risk assessment on where he commits himself. RTZ also has insane risk assessment. Contrary to people hating on RTZ dying, carries NEED to leverage themselves for gains on the map which requires risks. Often times RTZ and Fear commit themselves in ways where the risk/reward for dying or not in a situation is favorable, as opposed to carries that just Farm Well, Avoid danger... Maybe he can prove me wrong, but my image of Aui in dignitas has me skeptical he's up to fear/rtz's level of carry. Lets wait and find out. Maybe if it doesn't work EG always has the option to swap fear and aui. I mean both can play 4 position . | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
Aui is a good Cheh player iirc, and tbh, kinda scary now EG has a Chen player | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On March 25 2016 03:22 Sn0_Man wrote: Honestly I don't get people judging Aui's carry play right now. He's played like 4 officials as a carry in the last 2+ years. See where it goes then judge. I'm going off of Dignitas memories where there was a lot of games. I hope he has adapted to be a riskier and better risk assessing carry. There's nothing I hate more than carries in modern dota that just farm well and avoid danger. To use your argument the other way: you're right, so why risk it? Does anyone still doubt Fear is a capable t1 carry, and Aui is a capable 4? The only reason I can think of for EG is PPD likes fear's 4 more and how it fits into the team, and is willing to play a less active carry for it. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On March 25 2016 03:26 lolnoty wrote: I'm going off of Dignitas memories where there was a lot of games. I hope he has adapted to be a riskier and better risk assessing carry. There's nothing I hate more than carries in modern dota that just farm well and avoid danger. To use your argument the other way: you're right, so why risk it? Does anyone still doubt Fear is a capable t1 carry, and Aui is a capable 4? The only reason I can think of for EG is PPD likes fear's 4 more and how it fits into the team, and is willing to play a less active carry for it. I actually think most people regard fear as the better 1 and 4, but he is actually more important on 4. As someone else stated earlier, fear is really good at applying pressure when he plays 4, and I think he is better with the communication. A carry doesnt really need to communicate alott compared to a roaming 4, so it might get back to the Aui communication thingy from august. EG didnt have alott of time, they had to take what was "available" to them... this is probably the best they could do. Letts see how this goes... We can always hope for a zai comeback before TI ;-) | ||
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goody153
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Souldivnr
Cuba127 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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goody153
44274 Posts
On March 25 2016 03:54 Acritter wrote: Resolution over Bulba would have been an amazing team. But hey, maybe Bulba can deliver. As much as i don't trust bulba there's also the issue that resolution may not be capable of playing offlane. I mean he's generally 1 or 2 pos. So bulba is probably just the better choice if there wasn't any other better offlaner. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
also, I'm still sticking by my pet theory that zai gets swapped in for Bulba post major. That would make EG on par with Secret imo. | ||
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