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ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
August 05 2017 09:05 GMT
#2821
EG has a winning formula: lane domination into snowball. They also have a unique pick: support naga. So I don't worry too much as long as they are in the UB. It doesn't really make a difference whether your opponent is LFY, Newbee, VP, OG or IG.

Yeah, I think support naga will be big in the elimination stage.
JGwinworth
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
August 05 2017 21:34 GMT
#2822
OK guys so the main stream is hyping tie breakers but it's not possible b/c Newbie will be 2nd which means they will face our boys EG in round 1 of playoffs b/c LFY will definitely choose to play TNC. Here's the final bracket with everything added to show final results. Enjoy!
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7729 Posts
August 05 2017 21:54 GMT
#2823
Today's games with Fnatic were righteous stomps, it's a good sign when the team doesn't skip a beat against a weak opponent. I can't wait for the main event
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-05 23:40:47
August 05 2017 23:40 GMT
#2824
On August 06 2017 06:34 JGwinworth wrote:
OK guys so the main stream is hyping tie breakers but it's not possible b/c Newbie will be 2nd which means they will face our boys EG in round 1 of playoffs b/c LFY will definitely choose to play TNC. Here's the final bracket with everything added to show final results. Enjoy!
[image loading]

Thats a good call mate

EG are looking real good, win in against every team.
And the losses werent to bad either.
I feel they go into the Main event with a draft advantage... zai and crit both so versatile. sumail, uni and rtz all on point it seems.
SO EXCITED!!! :D Go boys~
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 06 2017 10:09 GMT
#2825
Round 1 match against nb ain't gonna be easy, hopefully they can continue the legacy as China slayers
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
BreakupBoy
Profile Joined September 2016
Germany171 Posts
August 06 2017 10:33 GMT
#2826
On August 06 2017 19:09 emperorchampion wrote:
Round 1 match against nb ain't gonna be easy, hopefully they can continue the legacy as China slayers

Doesn't EG have a pretty good record against this newbie team? I feel like they played each other quiet often during the season and most of the times EG came out victorious
(~ ̄▽ ̄)~
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 06 2017 11:26 GMT
#2827
On August 06 2017 19:33 BreakupBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2017 19:09 emperorchampion wrote:
Round 1 match against nb ain't gonna be easy, hopefully they can continue the legacy as China slayers

Doesn't EG have a pretty good record against this newbie team? I feel like they played each other quiet often during the season and most of the times EG came out victorious

You are right, in the last 12 months they have encountered 8 times, and EG won 5 of them, 3 of those wins being in finals (Mars Dota2 League, China Top and Manila Masters), also beat Newbee 2-0 at Kiev major, the Newbee wins were less important.
I would say EG has both a mental and a draft advantage against Newbee, but Newbee are very skilled players, gonna be good matches
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
August 06 2017 13:18 GMT
#2828
I think EG had a solid group stage. Watching their games, you could tell they were becoming more confident in drafts they wanted to execute.

I think the bans will be very telling against Newbee; particularly Kaka's bans. I think his Nyx warrants one with how much he destroyed VP with it (Game 1).
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7729 Posts
August 07 2017 06:35 GMT
#2829


RTZ did it guys :D
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 07 2017 23:23 GMT
#2830
remove cr1t
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 07 2017 23:25 GMT
#2831
Really unlucky not getting that Bristle twice by a millisecond (Cheese and then ES save)
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 07 2017 23:26 GMT
#2832
They looked devastated though, I don't see them doing well
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 07 2017 23:33 GMT
#2833
bah... not bringing ur a-game to the main stage is bad...
they all did crucial mistakes... Cant even remember sumail in any of the games... Crit just being bad...
realy disapointing rly...
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 07 2017 23:46 GMT
#2834
On August 08 2017 08:33 Atoissen wrote:
bah... not bringing ur a-game to the main stage is bad...
they all did crucial mistakes... Cant even remember sumail in any of the games... Crit just being bad...
realy disapointing rly...

He had Mirana Necro
While Sccc got Od/QoP

More comfort
Won mid both games
Proceeded to have larger impact by far both games

Time to draft around Suma1l next ?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 08 2017 06:10 GMT
#2835
Out drafted and out played this round, but newbee are possibly the strongest team in the tournament. I can see eg making it through liquid and then maybe one of the lgds
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
saocyn
Profile Joined July 2011
United States937 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 08:32:01
August 08 2017 08:30 GMT
#2836
i'm kinda sad being an EG fan right now, not just because of their performance, but the direction the captain has taken for their team.

i'm not sure if it''s a strategy (I think it's intentional) but i think going forward EG are attempting to make the draft highly ambiguous so the other team can't figure out who plays what role. it's an interesting concept but also risky. they allowed everyone to play a different hero in the same type of draft in the group stage. for example, one game you'll see bat rider bot lane for universe, then it's crit playing support bat. the mirana switch off as well. overtime both support oriented heroes in the past are now switched as carry roles (nothing new) but switched around with WHO plays it. it keeps the opponent guessing which i think is their new evolution. (PPD hinted in the past about how everyone should learn every role.)

But on the other end of the spectrum, their pool seems more...limited....and their drafts aren't as strong...it's an EG draft but it's not a draft that's strong vs the opponents.
i'm not sure if it's only me but it seems the west try to out think themselves in the drafting phase...and this meta it works against them. In previous tournaments relying on all time strong drafts got you in trouble for being predictable but now, this meta it has the opposite effect.

At this point i wouldn't be surprised if they lost to empire...rtz hasn't had one game where i had confidence in him. it never crossed my mind in all his games that if shit hit the fan and he had time to farm, he would make up the difference if sumail failed or if universe couldn't pull off the big initiations. not to mention, i think this is the very first time i've ever seen universe die in the offlane in a 1v1 scenario. that's a really bad sign.
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
August 08 2017 13:53 GMT
#2837
i think you are selling them short. they had some pogchamps against newbee. they had leads in both games. sometimes you get baited and dont press BKB. sometimes a neutral creep gets the last hit. sometimes you catch the od but wipe to disruptor and veno.


they could lose to empire today, or secret/liquid tomorrow, but the boys are the boys. they are legit good. i expect them to pull through.


DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 08 2017 14:09 GMT
#2838
One thing I don't understand is why sumail is building DPS Miranda from the start. I think he should be building agha blink, before transitioning into DPS. He needs the agha to farm faster as well as maintain tempo. DPS from the get go is too slow
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 21:02:37
August 08 2017 21:02 GMT
#2839
I don't understand why EG is ditching Io. It gives them a draft advantage similar to Liquid, but has been completely ignored except for the final game against Fnatic.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 21:50:21
August 08 2017 21:35 GMT
#2840
While there may be large issues with the draft, the issue that keeps frustrating me is how EG seems to have have never developed a consistent sense of when they don't need to force or hunt fights ever since ppd left. A consistent theme in the ppd-era EG was their emphasis on establishing game-winning leads in items/net worth/map control to buffer them from losing a few fights without giving up the initiative.

Sure, EG still saw red and got hungry when taking fights like the one forced in game1 vs Newbee under Newbee's T2 with song that were high-risk, but it happened less; and they usually had much more of a "lead" or margin of error. Of course replacing ppd in that respect is difficult, but I don't think it bodes well that they have never developed any consistency in avoiding this problem; and it cost them deeply against Newbee - on the biggest and most important stage of the year.
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