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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 29 2017 05:29 GMT
#2781
Suma1l is soooo good. Feels like Ana constantly needs his team to enable him, while suma1l can do everything on his own.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7729 Posts
May 29 2017 07:59 GMT
#2782
Sumail had so many great plays, it was insane to watch :O

but special shoutout from me to Zai for using taunts xD
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
May 29 2017 12:17 GMT
#2783
On May 29 2017 14:29 DucK- wrote:
Suma1l is soooo good. Feels like Ana constantly needs his team to enable him, while suma1l can do everything on his own.


He did so much for that team, especially the game on Ember, both his other cores underfarmed, below Newbee's lifestealer and DP, didn't matter, he still pulled through.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-29 13:54:53
May 29 2017 13:53 GMT
#2784
Congratulations EG!!
So many good drafts and plays from all the boys this weekend!
Sumail was so sick almost every game... insane plays, perfect fighting and always knew when to split, and when to fight.
Special shoutout also to Cr1t. Very stable and good drafting all tournament. And always did his job in the games even tho he was almost playing as ppd some of these games(Dirt poor).
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 29 2017 15:52 GMT
#2785
Sumail has been the best player in the world for ages. So long as the team works around him they're the favourites for any tournament.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 29 2017 19:59 GMT
#2786
GGs
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 30 2017 00:56 GMT
#2787
give sumail a raise tbh
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-30 01:40:26
May 30 2017 01:39 GMT
#2788
I think at this point EG are the favorites for TI. Just seeing them improve from tournament to tournament, getting some respect bans for various heroes, and seeing Sumail just go ham every single game feels like seeing a dream-team slowly reach its true potential.

That said, I am worried for one thing: Artour.

He's one of the best players in the world, technically and mechanically top 3 IMO. But I think every game that Sumail goes wild and Artour is sacced (or flubs), he loses a bit of morale and confidence. Now this is all speculation, but even in the games I've seen him play extremely well (let's say his Jugg in game 1 of NP vs EG in Manila), he gets overshadowed by the clutch plays of Sumail and sometimes one of the others. People keep flaming him for feeding or for getting caught out. They don't highlight his great decisions and plays (in several of those game winning fights, it was him going on the right target and omnislashing or focusing a crucial support). And at the end of the day, he's a mid player at heart. He's the guy you want outplaying the opponent and being the focal point of the team. He can be as good as Sumail but his role won't let him, and that can eat at him, I'm sure. Before this team formed, didn't he want to play mid? And he had to sacrifice that because Sumail can't play carry.

So yeah. I hope Artour doesn't take the criticism often levelled at him personally. I still believe he's one of the best players, one of the best mids in the world. And he needs that kind of cocky confidence going into TI.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
May 30 2017 02:45 GMT
#2789
RTZ is old and experienced enough to understand his role in the team. He didn't tilt after chain feeding with Razor.

He still often farms by himself and teams punish that a lot. I hope he can fix his farming pattern. Alternatively, Crit can give him a tanky hero, so EG can turn the fight after the opponent drops everything on RTZ.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-30 21:00:26
May 30 2017 06:28 GMT
#2790
EG remain a cocky and arrogant team. This can be an advantage, but when you see them take fights they absolutely do not need to take (particularly when they have a better scaling lineup) then perhaps lose those fights - those are the games where Arteezy typically goes missing. The Razor and Bristleback picks are encouraging, particularly Razor - RTZ always found a way to make that hero work in the past, and few teams run him well.

Even if this EG succeeds, it still seems like Arteezy and Sumail are players that require the entire team to pivot around them, and only them. There will always be some degree of 'anti-synergy' there, and how EG find ways to make that work that will determine how they go TI. Of course, that is also why I find them interesting team to watch - can they find the right balance; and keep it going over an entire tournament?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 14:49:16
May 31 2017 14:49 GMT
#2791
To me it feels like teams are drafting vs. Sumail, then playing vs. Arteezy. Like they think if they ban a bunch of Sumail heroes they'll be able to cope with him, so they focus on Arteezy once the game actually starts. Sometimes that's pretty effective and rtz ends up with third networth on his team or whatever (not something you really want from anyone in position 1), but the way EG is drafting and playing makes sure that those games are not definite losses.
Oliveran
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden72 Posts
June 02 2017 13:05 GMT
#2792
Tbh, the most impressive thing about EG in Manilla was the way they decided to engage fights. Against Newbee and NP, I think they disengaged with force staffs, blinks and other mobility tools and re-engaded into a winning teamfight literally every time. They never pressured themselves into engaging because the oppponents went for them.
Gee Gee!
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
June 05 2017 20:01 GMT
#2793
Praise the pocket sumail mid shaker
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7729 Posts
June 06 2017 13:50 GMT
#2794
Sumail mid shaker was glorious :D
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada1023 Posts
June 10 2017 22:05 GMT
#2795
It would be awesome momentum to win back to back lans and then go to the summit, even if that isnt a win there it's okay, that is more of a relaxed atmosphere before the bootcamping of TI kicks in, team will be on a high and super motivated
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 11 2017 00:07 GMT
#2796
On June 11 2017 07:05 NbSky wrote:
It would be awesome momentum to win back to back lans and then go to the summit, even if that isnt a win there it's okay, that is more of a relaxed atmosphere before the bootcamping of TI kicks in, team will be on a high and super motivated


They aren't going to The Summit 7, unless they're visiting to cast. (Well, ppd will be there.) EG's next tournament will be MDL in July.
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
June 11 2017 06:09 GMT
#2797
On June 11 2017 09:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2017 07:05 NbSky wrote:
It would be awesome momentum to win back to back lans and then go to the summit, even if that isnt a win there it's okay, that is more of a relaxed atmosphere before the bootcamping of TI kicks in, team will be on a high and super motivated


They aren't going to The Summit 7, unless they're visiting to cast. (Well, ppd will be there.) EG's next tournament will be MDL in July.


I love PPD casting. He is so savage.
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
June 11 2017 16:01 GMT
#2798
What a shame but I'm still feeling good coming into TI. At least EG won't be the biggest target. PPD master plan lol.

I hope the bootcamp before TI will help them improve more.
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-11 21:28:01
June 11 2017 21:27 GMT
#2799
So, sumaiL got shutdown hard, and most probably some teams already studying what Liquid did.
The way I see it, it's better to know this sooner rather than later during TI.
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 11 2017 22:35 GMT
#2800
Ive never seen him so beatdown over a series in the history on EG :O
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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