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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 02 2017 15:24 GMT
#2761
I actually think EE carry > rtz carry. Again I feel rtz is best in midlane, but he can't play invoker at all.....
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 02 2017 15:32 GMT
#2762
On May 03 2017 00:24 DucK- wrote:
Again I feel rtz is best in midlane, but he can't play invoker at all.....


Took the words right out of my mouth.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 17:55:32
May 03 2017 17:49 GMT
#2763
RTZ plays invoker (or at least used to) a good amount in pubs, I'm sure he knows how to play the hero...
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
May 03 2017 18:06 GMT
#2764
On May 04 2017 02:49 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ plays invoker (or at least used to) a good amount in pubs, I'm sure he knows how to play the hero...


This discussion started like this:

On May 02 2017 20:07 Klipsys wrote:
I no longer have faith in RTZ. Honestly I think someone like EE would be better. Not the same skill but EE actually wants to get better. I cannot help thinking RTZ is bored with dota


Don't think trying to talk sense is worth tbh
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 04 2017 03:46 GMT
#2765
On May 04 2017 02:49 PoulsenB wrote:
RTZ plays invoker (or at least used to) a good amount in pubs, I'm sure he knows how to play the hero...


If just casting spells mean you can play invoker at competitive level then yea he knows....

You just need to see his team secret days when he played mid. Several invoker games, but he plays the hero awkwardly unlike miracle/ana/noone etc...
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
May 04 2017 06:43 GMT
#2766
I took a look at his dotabuff and the last pro matches when he played Invoker were during the TI6 where Secret was pretty much imploding already and everyone on the team was out of practice (e.g. Arteezy played a lot of Overwatch those days instead of dota), so using them as an example isn't the best imo. Also "plays awkwardly" is just a vague buzzword with no real meaning to it. I used to watch tons of RTZ vods on YT and his Invoker always looked very solid to me, maybe not too flashy but his laning was good, his sunstrikes were good, he always had great farm and generally his spell usage was on point. Also, if he really came back to the mid lane role for good I'm sure that with his mechanics and experience he would have no trouble learning to play Invoker at a world-class level.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 04 2017 09:52 GMT
#2767
On May 04 2017 15:43 PoulsenB wrote:
I took a look at his dotabuff and the last pro matches when he played Invoker were during the TI6 where Secret was pretty much imploding already and everyone on the team was out of practice (e.g. Arteezy played a lot of Overwatch those days instead of dota), so using them as an example isn't the best imo. Also "plays awkwardly" is just a vague buzzword with no real meaning to it. I used to watch tons of RTZ vods on YT and his Invoker always looked very solid to me, maybe not too flashy but his laning was good, his sunstrikes were good, he always had great farm and generally his spell usage was on point. Also, if he really came back to the mid lane role for good I'm sure that with his mechanics and experience he would have no trouble learning to play Invoker at a world-class level.


I mean I'm pretty sure he can play invoker in that he can lane, can land sun strikes, can do the usual combos, can farm etc. I'm quite sure most pros (even Mushi) can do that. But invoker is a special hero. You need the intuition on your spell usage and movements etc to have an impact. Awkward sounds vague but it's hard to describe what's missing, mainly because rtz probably is already playing a relatively good invoker, yet nowhere near midone/miracle/sumail etc in terms of skill on the hero. People joke about ee's invoker for the same reason.

As of now, I dare say he is not good enough of a competitive invoker player relative to his mid peers. Maybe he will improve in time, but he sure needs a lot of work because his secret invoker days were not impressive at all.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-04 10:11:33
May 04 2017 10:11 GMT
#2768
Yea, Invoker is a pretty special hero when it comes to mid to lategame play. And I agree that Arteezy didn't seem that spectacular on it when he tried to grind it on Secret. Invoker is not a very difficult hero to play early on, you just need strong fundamentals which Arteezy has. But his spell usage later on wasn't on par with the very best Invokers.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
May 04 2017 17:51 GMT
#2769
Fair enough. I'm sure that with practice he would be able to join the best

What is the next tournament on schedule for the boys? The Summit?
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
May 04 2017 18:08 GMT
#2770
Manila Masters I believe, which is in 3 weeks
Portholt
Profile Joined April 2017
United States35 Posts
May 09 2017 15:46 GMT
#2771
On May 03 2017 00:24 DucK- wrote:
I actually think EE carry > rtz carry. Again I feel rtz is best in midlane, but he can't play invoker at all.....

play invo, get ez ticket to playing mid for pros
Spell Stuf Right, Oar Don't Spell at All
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
May 15 2017 17:49 GMT
#2772
Maybe EG will have an easier time drafting against OG with 7.06
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 15 2017 17:53 GMT
#2773
EG's always been a heavy-greed team, so a farming oriented patch probably benefits them the most.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
May 15 2017 19:09 GMT
#2774
Not necessarily that, but being at a disadvantage in the draft due to EG's inability to beat Naga and Alchemist from OG resulted in sucking up their first ban phase.

Hopefully that will change the next time these 2 teams meet, I do not think Alchemist is a ban worthy pick anymore.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
May 24 2017 06:12 GMT
#2775
Less than 24h until first game of EG in Manila, get hype! :D
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
May 28 2017 15:50 GMT
#2776
The boys did it!! :D
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44272 Posts
May 28 2017 15:53 GMT
#2777
2ez 4 eg
this is a quote
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7735 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-28 16:20:04
May 28 2017 16:19 GMT
#2778
Hopefully we'll get some RTZ streams after they come back from Manila
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
May 29 2017 03:31 GMT
#2779
I think the new EG strat should be giving RTZ a tanky ass hero to get in the opponent's face while Sumail doing works. LOL.
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
May 29 2017 05:16 GMT
#2780
Congrats guys!
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
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