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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 18:59:09
April 12 2018 18:48 GMT
#189401
everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time

I also wanted to quote a great mind.

On April 13 2018 03:48 Plansix wrote:
The words that come out of your mouth are also in your control.


can you speak while taking every imaginable individual's feelings into account?
who is the authority on who it's okay to offend?

personally my ego and gender identity are hurt when people disagree with me
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 12 2018 18:49 GMT
#189402
On April 13 2018 03:31 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and guess that they just stopped telling racist jokes around you p6.
But you didn't actually change the world one way or the other. That's because groups define themselves by who they aren't. So they probably were and still are having fun bonding over racist jokes, unless they changed that for some other group that bonds over being super woke about issues. Sorry to break it to you like this.

Also most people understand they are joking about offensive stereotypes and make a difference between those and actual human beings. That's why often people who should be offended are indeed not. Maybe stereotypes aren't important anymore.

I guess it's fine to be LGBT positive if you guys have the energy and time, you do you. You have my complete disinterest as long as my c#male privileges are unaffected and the wokeness doesn't get too overbearing.


e. People's "just and equal society" also sounds like a couple gulags too many to me.

how is not using offensive or problematic language equivalent to a gulag?

how is it comparable to a "gestapo environment" as you said in your other post?

that's a ridiculous comparison and your use of hyperbole undermines any effort to take your criticism of this topic seriously

if it's such an imposition to not use the N-word, or call people gay, or not make racist jokes about all asians looking the same, perhaps you should examine your use of language. no one is expecting it to immediately disappear but you should not be dismissive and defensive when people point out that this behavior is problematic and should be changed
Writer@WriterYamato
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 12 2018 18:54 GMT
#189403
On April 13 2018 03:48 intotheheart wrote:
That exam was longer than I thought it would be - he arranged everything to allow the 20-ish students to each have a 10-minute oral component. My exam was to go from 10:00-13:00, but I did my oral at 14:20 or something rofl.


Ah well, that's done. Think it went alright, but we'll see. Now to eat lunch, and prepare an experiment for tomorrow.

are you good at oral?
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 19:01 GMT
#189404
On April 13 2018 03:48 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time

I also wanted to quote a great mind.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 03:48 Plansix wrote:
The words that come out of your mouth are also in your control.


can you speak while taking every imaginable individual's feelings into account?
who is the authority on who it's okay to offend?

personally my ego and gender identity are hurt when people disagree with me

Yes. How many people do you talk to at once, really?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 12 2018 19:06 GMT
#189405
I don't feel comfortable when people look at me so if everyone could just keep their heads down that would be nice please think of people like me
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
April 12 2018 19:09 GMT
#189406
On April 13 2018 03:33 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 03:31 PassiveAce wrote:
Uh dude hate to break it to you but being bi/homo is pretty gay
Im sorry to have to be the one to tell you...

literally shaking right now


dont throw those tendies away
High Risk Low Reward
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12169 Posts
April 12 2018 19:11 GMT
#189407
http://store.steampowered.com/news/39118/

So Anti push patch, extending game time.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 19:21:01
April 12 2018 19:14 GMT
#189408
If you want to sling around insults like an undisciplined 13 year old that's fine, but don't cloak it under some grander purposes of free speech or fighting the tyranny of the SJWs impeding on your rights to be a dick. It's really not that difficult to watch your language even in a heated moment, and if you really do think you must say that particular racial insult or slur against a sexual identity, it says a lot more about your lack of self-control and basic empathy than how apparently thought police and literal Nazis and Communists are caving in on your right to expression.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 12 2018 19:15 GMT
#189409
Everyone switches up their language during family gatherings or when they are looking for a job. Its not that hard of an ask.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 12 2018 19:28 GMT
#189410
On April 13 2018 03:49 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 03:31 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and guess that they just stopped telling racist jokes around you p6.
But you didn't actually change the world one way or the other. That's because groups define themselves by who they aren't. So they probably were and still are having fun bonding over racist jokes, unless they changed that for some other group that bonds over being super woke about issues. Sorry to break it to you like this.

Also most people understand they are joking about offensive stereotypes and make a difference between those and actual human beings. That's why often people who should be offended are indeed not. Maybe stereotypes aren't important anymore.

I guess it's fine to be LGBT positive if you guys have the energy and time, you do you. You have my complete disinterest as long as my c#male privileges are unaffected and the wokeness doesn't get too overbearing.


e. People's "just and equal society" also sounds like a couple gulags too many to me.

how is not using offensive or problematic language equivalent to a gulag?

how is it comparable to a "gestapo environment" as you said in your other post?

that's a ridiculous comparison and your use of hyperbole undermines any effort to take your criticism of this topic seriously

if it's such an imposition to not use the N-word, or call people gay, or not make racist jokes about all asians looking the same, perhaps you should examine your use of language. no one is expecting it to immediately disappear but you should not be dismissive and defensive when people point out that this behavior is problematic and should be changed



if it's okay to point out that one type of behavior is problematic and should be changed,
then it should be okay to make the claim that the people doing the pointing out should be the ones changing their behavior

somebody has to rate the language used, not just the words used but also all and any implications
which is where it becomes a question of authority
personally I think I should be that supreme authority, because I'm the most smartest and question everything

e. People are already saying context and audience matters, I don't think that's where we started so now I'm confused. forums are hecking trash (sorry for swearing)

#freedaryl
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 12 2018 19:37 GMT
#189411
+ Show Spoiler [on hjt's posts] +
I think it's safe to say that's a little trollish

On April 13 2018 03:28 Gosi wrote:
oh well in my opinion context matters and I won't get offended if someone calls something gay or pulls a homo joke, and the other bi/homo people I know are quite good at taking the piss out of themselves too.

Maybe I'm just damaged from growing up in hockey culture where you'll hear everything that could possibly be seen as offensive and you quickly learn it doesn't really matter unless you make it matter.

When it gets confrontational and physical on the other hand it's obviously not okay.


Imo it's perfectly fair to say context matters. And that goes both ways. Context matters for those addressed as well as innocent bystanders that are subject of the conversation (to stick to the fairly obvious examples of LGBT people, Muslims, Jews [Jew is a common pejorative term on schoolyards here since as far as I can remember].
Context matters shall not be used as a blanket excuse to allow hateful speech, as much as freedom of expression and the human right to self-determination shall not be a cover for censorship.

The question as to where the line is to be drawn is a very good and important one. Though I freely admit I have no answer to it, I'm rather certain that only through discourse as well as trial and error we will at some point come to an agreement, as a society, + Show Spoiler +
(I'm using very broad terms here, yep, sorry. probably somewhere a little sooner than someplace else and to slightly different degrees)
what is to be tolerated and what sanctioned.

Nonetheless, as victimized groups (see above) gain means to propagate their voice, be it through greater visibility or good lobbying or a popular / powerful person of that group, their vulnerabilities, troubles, struggle with being stigmatized, used as an insult, being seen as outsiders, curable disease, etc., only then and for example through having mirrored or told the experience of being a part of that group, can we grasp what it means having your sexual orientation shouted by 5.000 happy, drunk, enraged hockey fans at the referee as he, of course, was in the wrong again.
"What a fag, right? Oh yes, sorry, you're one of those, I forgot. Sorry."

I don't think you have to necessarily criminalize the past, though I've not thought much of people in the stadium shouting insults at the opponent. And disdained those making ape noises and gestures towards black players.

A big get the fuck out of your god damn comfort zone you fucking prick, to them.
(Phrasing it that way of course would be entirely justified, but not productive. When ever has telling the oppressor he's oppressing been productive, right?)

On April 13 2018 03:31 PassiveAce wrote:
Uh dude hate to break it to you but being bi/homo is pretty gay
Im sorry to have to be the one to tell you...

god bless this joke.

On April 13 2018 04:11 Yurie wrote:
http://store.steampowered.com/news/39118/

So Anti push patch, extending game time.

the ranged creep finally getting a miniscule gold bounty nerf. That thing felt like a Thunderhide you could kill on lvl 1.
The agi bonus on agi heros. Holy moly. Terrorblyat even scarier, Pl too. Clear buff to agi illu heros?!

I'm bad at this...
passive quaranstream fan
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
April 12 2018 19:42 GMT
#189412
Yo. I’m frantically throwing all my shit together to leave for shrimping (I just finish last net I was doing for other people at 5am this morning) and I have breath of the wild question real quick.

Do I need to buy and download dlcs now or can I play it for a couple weeks and buy dlcs later? I’ve done no research at all cuz I kind of tried to avoid spoilers but do the dlc only come into effect later on? Thx
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 12 2018 19:50 GMT
#189413
Removed hero class specific perks, the bonuses now affect all classes.


Doesn't this make the early game even worse or am I actually the only dota player in the universe who actually clicks on heroes and abilities and calculates what it takes to kill someone at a given time.

I suppose a lot of the changes in dota that I hate have been towards more instinctual gameplay; masking the numbers, adding the talents and other variables.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 12 2018 20:05 GMT
#189414
Everyone knows the first thing the Nazis did is stop people being racist, it's a slippery slope
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 20:09:20
April 12 2018 20:07 GMT
#189415
On April 13 2018 04:42 Atreides wrote:
Yo. I’m frantically throwing all my shit together to leave for shrimping (I just finish last net I was doing for other people at 5am this morning) and I have breath of the wild question real quick.

Do I need to buy and download dlcs now or can I play it for a couple weeks and buy dlcs later? I’ve done no research at all cuz I kind of tried to avoid spoilers but do the dlc only come into effect later on? Thx

you can play it later.
DLCs are two expansions that can be played after finishing the main quest line with no detriment whatsoever. one can be started at about mid way to the end boss.
They are not crucial for the BotW experience in my book.
[
OH AND HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK DURING SHRIMPING SEASON!

May this one be even better than the last!
passive quaranstream fan
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 12 2018 20:26 GMT
#189416
On April 13 2018 04:42 Atreides wrote:
Yo. I’m frantically throwing all my shit together to leave for shrimping (I just finish last net I was doing for other people at 5am this morning) and I have breath of the wild question real quick.

Do I need to buy and download dlcs now or can I play it for a couple weeks and buy dlcs later? I’ve done no research at all cuz I kind of tried to avoid spoilers but do the dlc only come into effect later on? Thx

You can buy DLCs later no problem, some of the DLC stuff can affect your game right away from almost as soon as your game starts but you can apply DLC to any save file even if it was made without DLC
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 12 2018 21:03 GMT
#189417
On April 13 2018 04:37 Artisreal wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [on hjt's posts] +
I think it's safe to say that's a little trollish

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 03:28 Gosi wrote:
oh well in my opinion context matters and I won't get offended if someone calls something gay or pulls a homo joke, and the other bi/homo people I know are quite good at taking the piss out of themselves too.

Maybe I'm just damaged from growing up in hockey culture where you'll hear everything that could possibly be seen as offensive and you quickly learn it doesn't really matter unless you make it matter.

When it gets confrontational and physical on the other hand it's obviously not okay.


Imo it's perfectly fair to say context matters. And that goes both ways. Context matters for those addressed as well as innocent bystanders that are subject of the conversation (to stick to the fairly obvious examples of LGBT people, Muslims, Jews [Jew is a common pejorative term on schoolyards here since as far as I can remember].
Context matters shall not be used as a blanket excuse to allow hateful speech, as much as freedom of expression and the human right to self-determination shall not be a cover for censorship.

The question as to where the line is to be drawn is a very good and important one. Though I freely admit I have no answer to it, I'm rather certain that only through discourse as well as trial and error we will at some point come to an agreement, as a society, + Show Spoiler +
(I'm using very broad terms here, yep, sorry. probably somewhere a little sooner than someplace else and to slightly different degrees)
what is to be tolerated and what sanctioned.

Nonetheless, as victimized groups (see above) gain means to propagate their voice, be it through greater visibility or good lobbying or a popular / powerful person of that group, their vulnerabilities, troubles, struggle with being stigmatized, used as an insult, being seen as outsiders, curable disease, etc., only then and for example through having mirrored or told the experience of being a part of that group, can we grasp what it means having your sexual orientation shouted by 5.000 happy, drunk, enraged hockey fans at the referee as he, of course, was in the wrong again.
"What a fag, right? Oh yes, sorry, you're one of those, I forgot. Sorry."

I don't think you have to necessarily criminalize the past, though I've not thought much of people in the stadium shouting insults at the opponent. And disdained those making ape noises and gestures towards black players.

A big get the fuck out of your god damn comfort zone you fucking prick, to them.
(Phrasing it that way of course would be entirely justified, but not productive. When ever has telling the oppressor he's oppressing been productive, right?)


I agree. These discussions are tricky though because they become very US centric while the LGBT community has been represented well in Sweden during my life time (no one gave a shit about religion here until recently) so it's difficult to relate.

My hockey anecdote was from a players perspective (trash talk gets pretty ruthless and overall locker room culture is pretty dumb lol). Not like sport fans shout fag to people in harmony or that you can go around and do it in general, that's not okay of course because it becomes confrontational.

On the note of religion, jews are getting shafted hard thanks to our imported population. It's fucked up.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 12 2018 21:05 GMT
#189418
Denmark has had police guarding synagogues for a few years now i think ever since they were a target for terrorism.
Pretty messed up situation.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 12 2018 21:10 GMT
#189419
My first impression is that CK and Bristle are really strong, although my offlane did chainfeed like 9 times.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
April 12 2018 21:24 GMT
#189420
1.25 as for agi heroes seems broken as fuck
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
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