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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 07 2018 10:51 GMT
#189101
On April 07 2018 19:26 Atreides wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 19:06 kollin wrote:
On April 07 2018 15:00 Atreides wrote:
On April 07 2018 13:36 Nevuk wrote:
Weirdest typo in the english language : people who write "that" instead of "than". It's so frequent, and there's no possible explanation for it.


Ok just now I write email, after sending I see that I wrote "than" instead of "that". what in the actual fuck. Being that my reaction when I saw this post was "who does that" I think you jinxed me. Although apparently I go the other direction.

I mean if no NA team in top 8 than NA gets 2 qual slots 110% but yeah still a chance for weird shit to happen being that both Optic and EG lost to VGJstorm recently.

I feel like if they just change the number of qual slots based on which teams are top 8 then the whole system is bullshit anyway


I don't disagree with this necessarily, but they clearly will. Every tournament gives EU qualifier one slot because the good teams (liquid/secret) are already invited. by dpc points EU and CIS have been the strongest regions all season, but their qualifier teams never do shit. It grossly impacts how many teams you want out of the qualifiers.

I mean, if you don't take into account who is getting invites when you assign qualifier slots you are going to piss people off the other direction because CLEARLY you are going to both have awful teams getting in some regions, and good teams not getting in other regions.

I guess the point is that historically for all sorts of reason (fanbases, tournament location, wanting the monies, etc) Valve has never not had 2 NA teams (at least) at TI and if none get DPC points I see no way in hell they are changing that. /shrug

To me it just feels like scrap TI qualifiers, extend invites to top 16 DPC and let the top 8 in majors and minors get DPC points (obviously you have to stop having these stupid 8 team majors then).
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
April 07 2018 11:06 GMT
#189102
On April 07 2018 19:51 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 19:26 Atreides wrote:
On April 07 2018 19:06 kollin wrote:
On April 07 2018 15:00 Atreides wrote:
On April 07 2018 13:36 Nevuk wrote:
Weirdest typo in the english language : people who write "that" instead of "than". It's so frequent, and there's no possible explanation for it.


Ok just now I write email, after sending I see that I wrote "than" instead of "that". what in the actual fuck. Being that my reaction when I saw this post was "who does that" I think you jinxed me. Although apparently I go the other direction.

I mean if no NA team in top 8 than NA gets 2 qual slots 110% but yeah still a chance for weird shit to happen being that both Optic and EG lost to VGJstorm recently.

I feel like if they just change the number of qual slots based on which teams are top 8 then the whole system is bullshit anyway


I don't disagree with this necessarily, but they clearly will. Every tournament gives EU qualifier one slot because the good teams (liquid/secret) are already invited. by dpc points EU and CIS have been the strongest regions all season, but their qualifier teams never do shit. It grossly impacts how many teams you want out of the qualifiers.

I mean, if you don't take into account who is getting invites when you assign qualifier slots you are going to piss people off the other direction because CLEARLY you are going to both have awful teams getting in some regions, and good teams not getting in other regions.

I guess the point is that historically for all sorts of reason (fanbases, tournament location, wanting the monies, etc) Valve has never not had 2 NA teams (at least) at TI and if none get DPC points I see no way in hell they are changing that. /shrug

To me it just feels like scrap TI qualifiers, extend invites to top 16 DPC and let the top 8 in majors and minors get DPC points (obviously you have to stop having these stupid 8 team majors then).


I’d be down with that maybe, not sure though. Valve would have to have stricter rules regarding invites/quals/format etc for the dpc events, but they need to do that anyways.

The problem is (for them) you lose the guarantee of regional representation from everywhere which is bad for maximizing interest/money from TI. Which is it’s purpose, not to let the 16 best teams fight it out for glory as fans think.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 07 2018 11:23 GMT
#189103
having only the best teams of the world attend, i.e. one qulifying region, is just elitist crap.
living in countries where organisations actually pay you is so incredibly advantageous that this alone can justify to have separate qualifiers for different rergions.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 07 2018 12:26 GMT
#189104
Alternatively do away with invites altogether - do a World Cup style group stage qualifier or something similar for all teams.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
April 07 2018 12:29 GMT
#189105
I've wanted LAN qualifiers, like the minors in CSGO, for quite a while now. In a perfect world I suppose.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 07 2018 12:36 GMT
#189106
lol way too many tournaments

couldve done it for the 2 majors last season for sure tho
rn theres no better way
not having atleast 2+ open qualifier slots in each regional qualifier is a fucking joke tho fuck everyone who doesnt do this
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 14:15:07
April 07 2018 14:02 GMT
#189107
On April 07 2018 13:43 Atreides wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 12:34 intotheheart wrote:
I think I'll be able to chip away at farming. Right now I'm working on getting my last Ancient before I start the grind for primals. Any pro tips for farming?

Also is it better to start a character to speedfarm first, or should I get a pusher first for a seasonal?


I've never been much of a multiclasser myself. Unless you want to be able to find easy parties then its worth making a character that fits in current meta runs. But as to pure solo play you can make farming and pushing builds on the same character for most classes.

For wizard, if you are playing firebird for pushing (either meteor shower or starpact) than it is absolutely mandatory to have some other build for farming. Either a variety of Tal-Rasha builds or another class, but farming on another class is kind of sucky if you are sort of casual because it dilutes your drops substantially for your push class. Firebird is basically unplayable as a t13 or sub GR-90 build imo. Obviously it can kill that stuff but its utterly awful efficiency wise. If you are playing Tal Rasha meteor it is a bit easier. Its a pretty good build for farming GRs, once you have full ancients you should be able to do something in the 85-90 range with a ~5min avg. If you are playing solo you kind of just do that over and over. For t13, both key farming and bounties, you can keep playing tal-rasha meteor if you want, I recommend the following changes + Show Spoiler +

Swap Aetherwalker for Death wish. You Don't need the deathwish damage and you arent standing in place chaneling anyways, you want to be able to speedily blink through the whole map. Keep eyes open for good Aetherwalker for this (I kind of lied I have primal one of these too that I use for farming sometimes)

In general in t13 I am big fan of running the gold combo. So I recommend getting decent avarice band and running Boon of the Hoarder (drop taeguk you dont stand in place and channel cuz everything dies instantly). If you are still going to be running solo id replace CoE with avarice, (this way you can be super careless and watch stuff on other monitor while farming keys and never die. if you're doing split bounties or something in a group replace the unity.

With aetherwalker you wont keep aquila up so drop it from cube, this is where I would put gold wrap to be 100% invincible and not have to worry about ever dieing.

Wear Nemesis when key farming 100%. Its optional whether you want to wear them when doing bounties or not, they can be annoying but you will get many more dbs etc.

Depending how much RCR you have you can swap storm armor to scramble rune but if you have resource issues keep power of the storm. Its good for bounties though.
although technically, TR frozen orb or Explosive Blast are better key farming builds if you want to play something else.

Strictly speaking a lot of people just make a WoL monk to farm keys tbh, but this is mostly in the realm of where you are running thousands of GRs in party and your party char is not good for solo key farming.

You can't really farm for primals, you just farm for full properly statted, well rolled ancients. At the point, the big power creep is to get full augments. (most people who have never full augmented don't realize the huge difference this makes) After that its just paragon grind, which sucks.

Besides straight drops, you can use your dbs to upgrade rares. For wizard, I would only use these for jewelry. I have made >>500 rings/necks. + Show Spoiler +
I got primal compass rose AND halo of karini but both total garbage. sad days. I did eventually get a basically perfect non-ancient tal rasha neck


The only way to target farm specific gear is to do bounties and then reroll in cube. Its mind-numbingly boring to me plus you have to group with shitty randoms but its worth doing to get a good weapon for sure even early in progression. Later in progression when you have full augments etc you end up doing bounties again trying to get gg jewelry or anything else you were unlucky with if you really care, but again I hate them. But I will do a lot in the quest to get a crit/crit/AD compass rose and arcane/crit/crit Travelers Pledge. Very hard to get.

Ive also spent >300k bloodshards on offhands trying for a gg etched sigil. Ugh.

Dunno in general you just kind of want:

speed t13 build that can do normal rifts in 2-3 mins. (sub 2 mins is possible and adds up if you are super tryhard, sub 3 is pretty ez.)

Build that can do ~10 lvls GR below your max clear in 5-8 mins easily faster the better, this is your primary farming, gem leveling, paragon etc bread and butter when you are solo. Strictly speaking for gear farm speed trumps GR difficulty lvl generally, for paragon farm its just math but like for me if I could do 8 min 99s or 5 min 90s the 99s are better for paragon, the 90s are better for drops/gems. (basically xp doubles every 9 gr levels).

If you have specific questions involving TR-meteor builds I've played that a lot last two seasons. Although I do key farm with EB atm because I can do it with just mouse hand and never touching keyboard so I can drink coffee/watch dota etc. (also my hands/wrists hurt like hell from building nets, I have 2 months of 16hrs a day shrimping staring at me and it seems retarded to put wear and tear on my hands wrists playing diablo xd)

I currently have ~r30 clear solo wizard NA (Atreides) if you want to look at my profile or build for that run, I was as high as r6 and still think its top 5 TalRasha clear. But the top is full of starpact group heroes. xd

Edit: the guidelines here are specific to wizard cuz there is some class variation, wizard GR builds are not fast. I have extremely good tal-rasha meteor gear full 105 augments, 1400 paragon and even tweaked for farming I can clear basically everything from a 70-95 in the same time 4-5 mins. So wizards suck at speed GRs and you can't really get the 3 min sweet spots many other classes can. But Wizard is a good solo play class in general in my opinion.

Right now I'm running Tal Rasha Orb to speedfarm, and I've done GR81 on Wizard with the Firebird.

Looking for the last Ancient Legendary (necklace) before I've gotten all ancient legendaries on my Firebird build. After that I'll have to start augmenting (OTL).

Which set do you use for EB? TR?

Just so the rest of GD doesn't have to read, please PM me the build you use for EB. I'm kinda new to wizards.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
April 07 2018 15:40 GMT
#189108
wheres tuna
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Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
April 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#189109
On April 07 2018 21:29 Nixer wrote:
I've wanted LAN qualifiers, like the minors in CSGO, for quite a while now. In a perfect world I suppose.

i heard the last dota tournament had something to do with a perfect world ))
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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
April 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#189110
On April 07 2018 23:02 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 13:43 Atreides wrote:
On April 07 2018 12:34 intotheheart wrote:
I think I'll be able to chip away at farming. Right now I'm working on getting my last Ancient before I start the grind for primals. Any pro tips for farming?

Also is it better to start a character to speedfarm first, or should I get a pusher first for a seasonal?


I've never been much of a multiclasser myself. Unless you want to be able to find easy parties then its worth making a character that fits in current meta runs. But as to pure solo play you can make farming and pushing builds on the same character for most classes.

For wizard, if you are playing firebird for pushing (either meteor shower or starpact) than it is absolutely mandatory to have some other build for farming. Either a variety of Tal-Rasha builds or another class, but farming on another class is kind of sucky if you are sort of casual because it dilutes your drops substantially for your push class. Firebird is basically unplayable as a t13 or sub GR-90 build imo. Obviously it can kill that stuff but its utterly awful efficiency wise. If you are playing Tal Rasha meteor it is a bit easier. Its a pretty good build for farming GRs, once you have full ancients you should be able to do something in the 85-90 range with a ~5min avg. If you are playing solo you kind of just do that over and over. For t13, both key farming and bounties, you can keep playing tal-rasha meteor if you want, I recommend the following changes + Show Spoiler +

Swap Aetherwalker for Death wish. You Don't need the deathwish damage and you arent standing in place chaneling anyways, you want to be able to speedily blink through the whole map. Keep eyes open for good Aetherwalker for this (I kind of lied I have primal one of these too that I use for farming sometimes)

In general in t13 I am big fan of running the gold combo. So I recommend getting decent avarice band and running Boon of the Hoarder (drop taeguk you dont stand in place and channel cuz everything dies instantly). If you are still going to be running solo id replace CoE with avarice, (this way you can be super careless and watch stuff on other monitor while farming keys and never die. if you're doing split bounties or something in a group replace the unity.

With aetherwalker you wont keep aquila up so drop it from cube, this is where I would put gold wrap to be 100% invincible and not have to worry about ever dieing.

Wear Nemesis when key farming 100%. Its optional whether you want to wear them when doing bounties or not, they can be annoying but you will get many more dbs etc.

Depending how much RCR you have you can swap storm armor to scramble rune but if you have resource issues keep power of the storm. Its good for bounties though.
although technically, TR frozen orb or Explosive Blast are better key farming builds if you want to play something else.

Strictly speaking a lot of people just make a WoL monk to farm keys tbh, but this is mostly in the realm of where you are running thousands of GRs in party and your party char is not good for solo key farming.

You can't really farm for primals, you just farm for full properly statted, well rolled ancients. At the point, the big power creep is to get full augments. (most people who have never full augmented don't realize the huge difference this makes) After that its just paragon grind, which sucks.

Besides straight drops, you can use your dbs to upgrade rares. For wizard, I would only use these for jewelry. I have made >>500 rings/necks. + Show Spoiler +
I got primal compass rose AND halo of karini but both total garbage. sad days. I did eventually get a basically perfect non-ancient tal rasha neck


The only way to target farm specific gear is to do bounties and then reroll in cube. Its mind-numbingly boring to me plus you have to group with shitty randoms but its worth doing to get a good weapon for sure even early in progression. Later in progression when you have full augments etc you end up doing bounties again trying to get gg jewelry or anything else you were unlucky with if you really care, but again I hate them. But I will do a lot in the quest to get a crit/crit/AD compass rose and arcane/crit/crit Travelers Pledge. Very hard to get.

Ive also spent >300k bloodshards on offhands trying for a gg etched sigil. Ugh.

Dunno in general you just kind of want:

speed t13 build that can do normal rifts in 2-3 mins. (sub 2 mins is possible and adds up if you are super tryhard, sub 3 is pretty ez.)

Build that can do ~10 lvls GR below your max clear in 5-8 mins easily faster the better, this is your primary farming, gem leveling, paragon etc bread and butter when you are solo. Strictly speaking for gear farm speed trumps GR difficulty lvl generally, for paragon farm its just math but like for me if I could do 8 min 99s or 5 min 90s the 99s are better for paragon, the 90s are better for drops/gems. (basically xp doubles every 9 gr levels).

If you have specific questions involving TR-meteor builds I've played that a lot last two seasons. Although I do key farm with EB atm because I can do it with just mouse hand and never touching keyboard so I can drink coffee/watch dota etc. (also my hands/wrists hurt like hell from building nets, I have 2 months of 16hrs a day shrimping staring at me and it seems retarded to put wear and tear on my hands wrists playing diablo xd)

I currently have ~r30 clear solo wizard NA (Atreides) if you want to look at my profile or build for that run, I was as high as r6 and still think its top 5 TalRasha clear. But the top is full of starpact group heroes. xd

Edit: the guidelines here are specific to wizard cuz there is some class variation, wizard GR builds are not fast. I have extremely good tal-rasha meteor gear full 105 augments, 1400 paragon and even tweaked for farming I can clear basically everything from a 70-95 in the same time 4-5 mins. So wizards suck at speed GRs and you can't really get the 3 min sweet spots many other classes can. But Wizard is a good solo play class in general in my opinion.

Right now I'm running Tal Rasha Orb to speedfarm, and I've done GR81 on Wizard with the Firebird.

Looking for the last Ancient Legendary (necklace) before I've gotten all ancient legendaries on my Firebird build. After that I'll have to start augmenting (OTL).

Which set do you use for EB? TR?

Just so the rest of GD doesn't have to read, please PM me the build you use for EB. I'm kinda new to wizards.


Sent PM, Im sure everyone else appreciates not reading it.

I had to look up OTL. I think I'm a tiny bit more anime now? Or something...
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 07 2018 16:31 GMT
#189111
On April 08 2018 00:40 eieio wrote:
wheres tuna

hasnt posted in months, but now that u mentioned him im sure hes gonna respond in a matter of hours
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
April 07 2018 16:32 GMT
#189112
He posted in the DAC LR thread today.
Graphics
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 07 2018 16:32 GMT
#189113
i mean who tf reads that
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 16:48:57
April 07 2018 16:47 GMT
#189114
On April 08 2018 00:40 eieio wrote:
wheres tuna

On April 07 2018 14:39 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 13:36 Nevuk wrote:
Weirdest typo in the english language : people who write "that" instead of "than". It's so frequent, and there's no possible explanation for it.

fingers go on autopilot while mind wanders somewhere else, muscle memory malfunctions and finishes the word wrong

happens with other words for me sometimes

Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
April 07 2018 17:17 GMT
#189115
hrm
https://www.twitch.tv/deso_739
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 07 2018 17:34 GMT
#189116
On April 07 2018 12:00 harodihg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 10:41 Erasme wrote:
On April 07 2018 05:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
can any1 explain why they'd drop their treads?

lol
what did u expect


r we beefin again? ill funk you up, punk

xd
why did u do it then ?
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 18:04:28
April 07 2018 18:03 GMT
#189117
theres literally no good console tables in the world btw

rest of my apartment is gucci tho
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TL+ Member
Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
April 07 2018 18:30 GMT
#189118
On April 08 2018 03:03 eieio wrote:
theres literally no good console tables in the world btw

rest of my apartment is gucci tho

dont you just chill on your couch with consoles rather than using a table
https://www.twitch.tv/deso_739
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
April 07 2018 18:47 GMT
#189119
On April 08 2018 02:34 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 12:00 harodihg wrote:
On April 07 2018 10:41 Erasme wrote:
On April 07 2018 05:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
can any1 explain why they'd drop their treads?

lol
what did u expect


r we beefin again? ill funk you up, punk

xd
why did u do it then ?


Because I'm a handsome and fashionable gamer. It's not enough for me to win, I have to win in style. I was showcasing my fancy footwear and put my treads, as well as the rest of my outfit uo for display and that disrespectful little shit made off with my boots.
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 07 2018 18:58 GMT
#189120
Winning in style should give you more MMR.
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