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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 00:51:19
February 10 2015 00:48 GMT
#8721
God matchpoint was fucking excruciating tvz. But man i remember flash having some straight up maphacks in one game he played tvt where he randomly scanned a proxy starport next to his base and easy beat the cheese because of that. who was he playing against?

What a god.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 10 2015 00:48 GMT
#8722
can someone tell r1ch to update the SF icon to be the new one


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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 10 2015 00:49 GMT
#8723
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/website-feedback/
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 10 2015 00:49 GMT
#8724
On February 10 2015 09:44 Plansix wrote:
No, I find the jokes funny. Its just the "I identify as an attack helicopter" is one of those jokes that might blow up in your face. I know from personal experience and I felt super bad about it, so I warn people now so they don't have to feel super bad.

Edit: Yeah, I'm super hard to find on twitter.

What's ur take on the I sexually identify as a chen picker one do u approve that one
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 10 2015 00:51 GMT
#8725
On February 10 2015 09:49 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/website-feedback/

This is a joke, right?

Like I just want to be sure that when we refer to the website feedback, we are making a joke.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 10 2015 00:54 GMT
#8726
On February 10 2015 09:47 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i mean isn't that a slippery slope trying to draw lines on who its ok to make fun of? isn't the whole point of making fun of "triggering" that people don't want to feel bad about potentially offending minority groups, especially ones that seem fabricated for the sake of feeling offended and marginalized?

The slipper slope fallacy sucks and its not really an argument. I just give people a heads up on the "I identify as a snowblower and you should respect my life choices" joke because its seems totally benign, but can be super offensive. Once again, I didn't know it was super offensive until I super offended someone.

And people should be able to tell jokes and humor in any way they want, just be aware of the people around you. The point of humor is to make people laugh, not make people sad.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 01:12:03
February 10 2015 01:09 GMT
#8727
On February 10 2015 09:48 Comeh wrote:
God matchpoint was fucking excruciating tvz. But man i remember flash having some straight up maphacks in one game he played tvt where he randomly scanned a proxy starport next to his base and easy beat the cheese because of that. who was he playing against?

What a god.

proxy starport at the close by air 3rd gas* was semi common on that map but I think you just SCV scouted for it normally?

* not that you'd actually take it as your 3rd but you know what I mean D:

e: actually it's really just the 6/12 expansion lol, way more clear
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 10 2015 01:10 GMT
#8728
On February 10 2015 10:09 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:48 Comeh wrote:
God matchpoint was fucking excruciating tvz. But man i remember flash having some straight up maphacks in one game he played tvt where he randomly scanned a proxy starport next to his base and easy beat the cheese because of that. who was he playing against?

What a god.

proxy starport at the close by air 3rd gas was semi common on that map but I think you just SCV scouted for it normally?


i know what some of those words mean
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
February 10 2015 01:14 GMT
#8729
I never understood the 'im offended' bit about jokes. if someone comes off as rude or offensive to you, don't interact with them. Jokes, offensive and otherwise are all about your audience. Just because you joke about jews doesn't mean you support the holocaust or if you joke about sexual identity you are a homophobe or bigot. If someone is going to assume that about you based on the jokes you tell, who cares, they're stupid monkeys.

I don't think anything should be off limits when it comes to humor, it's more about setting your own filter based on your goal. If you're trying to befriend a jew, you probably don't break the ice with a holocaust joke, if your best friend's mom just died of cancer, you probably lay of cancer jokes when he's around, etc., but on the whole, get at it!

Maybe my skin is thick from being online for so many years, but the shit my friend's and I say about each other (race, sexual orientation, gender, religion, etc.) is pretty raunchy and 'no holds barred' and it's hilarious.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 01:19:52
February 10 2015 01:16 GMT
#8730
On February 10 2015 10:09 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:48 Comeh wrote:
God matchpoint was fucking excruciating tvz. But man i remember flash having some straight up maphacks in one game he played tvt where he randomly scanned a proxy starport next to his base and easy beat the cheese because of that. who was he playing against?

What a god.

proxy starport at the close by air 3rd gas* was semi common on that map but I think you just SCV scouted for it normally?

* not that you'd actually take it as your 3rd but you know what I mean D:

e: actually it's really just the 6/12 expansion lol, way more clear

I think he was scanning for some totally different reason and just happened to see the starport (like I think he was looking for a surprise early expansion, the starport was in a different location than the normal proxy spot). I may or may not have seen this game, I stopped playing a bit after matchpoint.

Proxy everything was common on that map because it was so easy to turtle. PvT was fun but a giant pain because of how clumped the choke points were.

I have 12 low pri games to get through... hello cliff jungling.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 01:21:32
February 10 2015 01:17 GMT
#8731
i think you're agreeing and just saying "its context sensitive" again in more words than plansix

ill admit tone policing public forums can be obnoxious but i only do it when i dislike the person who i think is being obnoxious in the first place
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 10 2015 01:21 GMT
#8732
What I am saying is don't be Destiny and just double down on the "its your fault if your offended". Really just don't be Destiny or Thooorin.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 10 2015 01:25 GMT
#8733
your/you're confusion is pretty triggering, but i'm ok with its/it's as long as its not the the latter meant to be the former
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 10 2015 01:28 GMT
#8734
There's a concept in comedy called "punching up". It's really straightforward and basically just says that when you're making fun of people you want to be making fun of people higher than you on the totem pole, not lower than you. It's why a black comedian making fun of white people is normally much more ok than a white comedian making fun of black people. This is a massive simplification, but hopefully it makes some sense.

A lot of jokes that I see on reddit/sometimes TL/the internet in general are punching-down jokes.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 10 2015 01:33 GMT
#8735
why are black people lower on the totem pole again?
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 01:37:10
February 10 2015 01:33 GMT
#8736
yeah but that concept is problematic as fuck and people who generally don't abide by it can easily point to any of the numerous ways it seems problematic (case in point above) in order to discard the whole principle. i mean in general, such guidelines only apply to public forums where your audience includes strangers whose sensibilities you don't have a full grasp of.

side note, "point in case" makes more sense to me than "case in point" but idioms are silly
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 10 2015 01:36 GMT
#8737
On February 10 2015 10:33 andyrau wrote:
why are black people lower on the totem pole again?

They're lower on the social totem pole in the US because there's a history of hundreds of years of racism in the US towards black people.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 10 2015 01:38 GMT
#8738
On February 10 2015 10:33 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yeah but that concept is problematic as fuck and people who generally don't abide by it can easily point to any of the numerous ways it seems problematic (case in point above) in order to discard the whole principle. i mean in general, such guidelines only apply to public forums where your audience includes strangers whose sensibilities you don't have a full grasp of.

It's really not problematic. It's a very simple guideline that says that shitting on a disenfranchised group from a position of power is normally a bad look. Which it is.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 10 2015 01:39 GMT
#8739
generalities like that only work to an extent and under certain perspectives though, i'm sure most people except racists would consider rich black people above rednecks on the social totem pole, for example. lots of problems arise from socioeconomic status being correlated with race but not nearly at r=1
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 01:51:34
February 10 2015 01:41 GMT
#8740
On February 10 2015 10:38 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 10:33 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yeah but that concept is problematic as fuck and people who generally don't abide by it can easily point to any of the numerous ways it seems problematic (case in point above) in order to discard the whole principle. i mean in general, such guidelines only apply to public forums where your audience includes strangers whose sensibilities you don't have a full grasp of.

It's really not problematic. It's a very simple guideline that says that shitting on a disenfranchised group from a position of power is normally a bad look. Which it is.

like i understand the general principle and agree that it's a good one to avoid offending people and leaving bad tastes for attempted humor in public forums, but there's no way it's not problematic beyond that purpose when people debate this kind of stuff all the time. "bad look" depends on perspective, take out all the people who get stuck on how bad it looks and it's easy to start debating the details of it, no matter how much the details don't matter for the purpose of not looking bad to the people who don't like bad looks.

"up" and "down" really only work in generality because there's always exceptions until you start literally ranking individual human beings by singular quantifiable traits (economic status? microaggressions experienced per unit time? number of people who look down upon a particular trait?)
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