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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 16 2015 18:53 GMT
#44781
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

Its literally the whole point of E3
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 18:55:08
June 16 2015 18:54 GMT
#44782
On June 17 2015 03:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 03:43 Plansix wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:40 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:31 Plansix wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:28 andyrau wrote:
well i think we can all agree that this e3 was a lot better than last year's
microsoft and sony swapped roles tho

Yeah, there were more original IPs this year and just new shit. Last year had me worried that we were just going to get sequels until the end of time.

But peoples obsession with live demos and "show me gameplay!" always amuses me. Gameplay demos of unfinished games are cobbled together for the show alone and barely work, or just run on scripts. Its like people demanding to be lied to.


If not some variety of gameplay for an unfinished game, what would you have them show you?

I personally am just happy to see anything, cut scenes to just exploration. Or like Just Cause where they just showed canned film of shit blowing up. Even the Starwar Battlefront stuff was cool to see and looked pretty. I just laugh when people freak out that the entire scene seems scripted or not live gameplay. Especially on games that are not coming out in the fall.

I get that the shown gameplay won't be representative of the finished product, as there will be changes before we see anything from them. They might even be fake (see Rome 2: Total War), but I would argue that the closer a game is to coming out, the more gameplay should be shown (if possible), or even current screenshots.

The reason is due to how well the tone is being captured - you can tell a lot about the tone they're trying to present, which is really important to how well the game holds out.

It totally agree that the previews are useful and they do give people an idea of what the developers are shooting for.

It’s the fervor around them. Taking screen shots and picking them apart. Making image break downs with lines pointing to features that changed or are bad because its not like the last game. Complaining that the video didn’t show any real combat when the game isn’t coming out for a full year. All of that just seems more and more comical as I learned about the game industry and how they are made. And how all games are on fire until the last 6 months when they come together.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 18:55:45
June 16 2015 18:55 GMT
#44783
On June 17 2015 03:53 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

Its literally the whole point of E3

p sure ur wrong
the point of e3 is to generate hype for unfinished games, not show off how unpolished the game actually is

doesnt make sense for a dev to preemptively sink their own ship


also u never answered me whatd u think of asap rocky and bones collab
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
June 16 2015 18:56 GMT
#44784
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-4ktrimasterelmonitor/product-BVMX300/ I want this so badly. Q_Q
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 16 2015 18:56 GMT
#44785
Anyone else looking forward to the new rainbow six?
That trailer they put out a while ago was pretty good for scripted gameplay with overdubbed voices
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 19:00:27
June 16 2015 18:57 GMT
#44786
On June 17 2015 03:55 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 03:53 Comeh wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

Its literally the whole point of E3

p sure ur wrong
the point of e3 is to generate hype for unfinished games, not show off how unpolished the game actually is

doesnt make sense for a dev to preemptively sink their own ship


also u never answered me whatd u think of asap rocky and bones collab

i thought i answered you ?

its alright idunno its fine bones picks out good beats so thats cool but he didn't even get a verse idk bones is above everyone else right now so its impossible to compare to him but you know its cool hes getting acknowledged considering like his shows always sell out and he has like 500k-nearly 1mil veiws on some of his songs
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 16 2015 18:59 GMT
#44787
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

prerenders generate hype and shit

I was talking about what I personally want to see, not what I think makes the most sense for a business.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 16 2015 19:00 GMT
#44788
Sitting here wondering if i should back Yooka-laylee on the PC or the Wii-u for when i finally get a Wii-U. The game looks like it'll be so fun.

Banjo-kazooie was one of my favourite games as a kid.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 16 2015 19:04 GMT
#44789
On June 17 2015 03:56 dismiss wrote:
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-4ktrimasterelmonitor/product-BVMX300/ I want this so badly. Q_Q

wow
i wonder if that would be overclockable xd that thing is FINALLY a reasonable sized, 4K OLED screen.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 16 2015 19:06 GMT
#44790
On June 17 2015 03:59 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

prerenders generate hype and shit

I was talking about what I personally want to see, not what I think makes the most sense for a business.

ya and im telling u that it's a stupid notion
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
June 16 2015 19:06 GMT
#44791
variable refresh or bust
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 19:09:35
June 16 2015 19:07 GMT
#44792
On June 17 2015 04:06 trifecta wrote:
variable refresh or bust

meh variable refresh blows on account of it not functioning at or above max refresh rate and max refresh rate not being high enough on any screen worth mentioning already.

low-persistance on the other hand is incredibly desirable but seems poorly implemented in monst screens today.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 16 2015 19:09 GMT
#44793
I still feel like variable refresh carries too much of a price penalty to be worth it, generally if you just invest the cost into the GPU you can get up to a bigger improvement anyways

why use g-sync to make 40 frames a second look like 60 when you can just get 60 to begin with?
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 16 2015 19:09 GMT
#44794
On June 17 2015 04:06 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 03:59 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

prerenders generate hype and shit

I was talking about what I personally want to see, not what I think makes the most sense for a business.

ya and im telling u that it's a stupid notion

Its a good because the people who play games want to see it. But its a risk because it takes a lot of time away from the development team and you might show stuff that won't make it to the final game.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 16 2015 19:11 GMT
#44795
On June 17 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 04:06 andyrau wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:59 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

prerenders generate hype and shit

I was talking about what I personally want to see, not what I think makes the most sense for a business.

ya and im telling u that it's a stupid notion

Its a good because the people who play games want to see it. But its a risk because it takes a lot of time away from the development team and you might show stuff that won't make it to the final game.


if the game is at the correct stage of development it really doesn't take that much effort to show stuff - and in terms of a game's budget the costs sunk into that is generally considered part of marketting and very efficient compared to other aspects of marketing
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 19:12:57
June 16 2015 19:12 GMT
#44796
On June 17 2015 04:09 Kupon3ss wrote:
I still feel like variable refresh carries too much of a price penalty to be worth it, generally if you just invest the cost into the GPU you can get up to a bigger improvement anyways

why use g-sync to make 40 frames a second look like 60 when you can just get 60 to begin with?


@ <4k I would agree (in 2015)
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 16 2015 19:14 GMT
#44797
even at 4k unless you already have a graphics card over 500 it isn't worth it
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
June 16 2015 19:17 GMT
#44798
On June 17 2015 04:09 Kupon3ss wrote:
I still feel like variable refresh carries too much of a price penalty to be worth it, generally if you just invest the cost into the GPU you can get up to a bigger improvement anyways

why use g-sync to make 40 frames a second look like 60 when you can just get 60 to begin with?

I mean it's clearly for the upper end budgets anyway. Freesync is hopefully a lot cheaper though since it doesn't require a proprietary module be built into the monitor. The main problem imo is not being able to get both on a monitor and thus getting locked into one GPU manufacturer if you want to use it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 16 2015 19:18 GMT
#44799
On June 17 2015 04:11 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 04:09 Plansix wrote:
On June 17 2015 04:06 andyrau wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:59 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 17 2015 03:52 andyrau wrote:
why would a company ever show off an unfinished product lol

prerenders generate hype and shit

I was talking about what I personally want to see, not what I think makes the most sense for a business.

ya and im telling u that it's a stupid notion

Its a good because the people who play games want to see it. But its a risk because it takes a lot of time away from the development team and you might show stuff that won't make it to the final game.


if the game is at the correct stage of development it really doesn't take that much effort to show stuff - and in terms of a game's budget the costs sunk into that is generally considered part of marketting and very efficient compared to other aspects of marketing

I have read interviews from numerous developers for AAA and indie games say its a ton of work and its the main reason you don't see every game at E3 or other events. But you are right that they justify it as marketing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 19:19:46
June 16 2015 19:19 GMT
#44800
Okay that monitor costs 30k, rip the dream.
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