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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
May 05 2015 16:45 GMT
#32261
hs arena is kinda fun and easy, if you dont know how to draft watch some hafu stream and you're good to go.

blizz should add another arena mode where each player only has a short time per turn. people taking a long time to play their turns is a big turn off.

and constructed is actually pay2win now that you cant buy new expansions with the infinite gold arena provides you.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 05 2015 16:48 GMT
#32262
Isn't the new expansion the same as the old one? 700g per wing or something like that
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
May 05 2015 17:00 GMT
#32263
you are right, still not full pay2win!
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 05 2015 17:01 GMT
#32264
Pay to win like MtG and every other CCG.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 05 2015 17:02 GMT
#32265
I'd be a lot less opposed to cardstone if it was a tcg instead of a ccg
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 05 2015 17:04 GMT
#32266
I'm fine with RNGstones model but it's not like MtG where the cards can be traded and even sold, that's honestly quite a big difference to me.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 17:06:51
May 05 2015 17:06 GMT
#32267
rofl sirscoots is a retard if he doesnt see the difference in social acceptance of porn sites and gambling sites
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 05 2015 17:11 GMT
#32268
Trading cards has its own set of problems in the online market place, especially with free accounts. People farming up shit cards to trade to people on mass to dust and other stuff like that. If you don't let people trade, you don't have to deal with the weird topdeck moba gray market.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 05 2015 17:14 GMT
#32269
Yes but if I can't trade the items then they have no actual value and as such there should be no barrier to acquisition nor expectation of financial investment.

Basically, the idea that its your collection thats valuable rather than the ability to play the game period (which is what F2P is based off of) is insulting when your collection has no value.
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 17:19:12
May 05 2015 17:15 GMT
#32270
On May 06 2015 02:11 Plansix wrote:
Trading cards has its own set of problems in the online market place, especially with free accounts. People farming up shit cards to trade to people on mass to dust and other stuff like that. If you don't let people trade, you don't have to deal with the weird topdeck moba gray market.


instead of chinese gold farmers you will get chinese legendary farmers lmao.

On May 06 2015 02:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes but if I can't trade the items then they have no actual value and as such there should be no barrier to acquisition nor expectation of financial investment.

Basically, the idea that its your collection thats valuable rather than the ability to play the game period (which is what F2P is based off of) is insulting when your collection has no value.


i dont know i think stancel felt pretty satisfied when he beat my trumps free mage deck with a bunch of legendaries (not that he paid for those, we arena masters dont pay cards).
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
May 05 2015 17:17 GMT
#32271
damned if u do damned if u dont
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 17:19:09
May 05 2015 17:17 GMT
#32272
On May 06 2015 02:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes but if I can't trade the items then they have no actual value and as such there should be no barrier to acquisition nor expectation of financial investment.

Basically, the idea that its your collection thats valuable rather than the ability to play the game period (which is what F2P is based off of) is insulting when your collection has no value.

By that logic neither steam games nor stuff like LoL skins have an actual value and as such should be free. Most F2P games have stuff that you pay for and can't sell, and in a lot of them with actual gameplay impact.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
May 05 2015 17:19 GMT
#32273
On May 06 2015 02:06 andyrau wrote:
rofl sirscoots is a retard if he doesnt see the difference in social acceptance of porn sites and gambling sites

but muh idealistic conveniently-defined sex-positivity
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 05 2015 17:22 GMT
#32274
On May 06 2015 01:48 SKC wrote:
Isn't the new expansion the same as the old one? 700g per wing or something like that

yeah but i dont think u get the first wing of blackrock for free, like u did with naxx
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 05 2015 17:23 GMT
#32275
No, steam games fall under the pay2play paradigm where the value is assumed to be inherent to the gameplay and as such is paid for up-front and extracted simply by playing the game.

And league skins *are* valueless, but of course people will buy vanity items and are free to. Buying league champions, much like buying cardstone cards, is insulting bullshit.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 17:24:46
May 05 2015 17:24 GMT
#32276
On May 06 2015 02:22 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 01:48 SKC wrote:
Isn't the new expansion the same as the old one? 700g per wing or something like that

yeah but i dont think u get the first wing of blackrock for free, like u did with naxx



Yeah you don't get the first wing for free anymore and you still can't buy wings non-consecutively so you have to buy the 3 wings of shitty cards before you get the good cards
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 05 2015 17:25 GMT
#32277
Isn't the most OP card in the game in the first wing?
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 17:28:40
May 05 2015 17:27 GMT
#32278
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Google ads plz


And the first wing has some good cards but then the next 2 or 3 have like nothing good
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 05 2015 17:27 GMT
#32279
god fix that image please
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 05 2015 17:28 GMT
#32280
that is a gratuitously large image indeed
although it highlights how disgusting it is that a cellphone that size has so many pixels while decent size screens still have so few
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