EPTOn April 04 2015 07:41 Jinxed wrote:
If another mod wants to action the post, they can feel free to. I'm not going to be continuing the discussion regardless after that so it's all moot at this point.
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On April 04 2015 07:30 Acritter wrote:
Please read through your post again and think what you would have done if someone else had written that post and you had stepped in as a moderator.
On April 04 2015 07:22 Jinxed wrote:
Holy fucking shit are you incompetent?
Like seriously did you not read a word of what was said? Honestly please, please for the love of god, please fucking try to rub the brain cells in your head together long enough to understand this.
THEY CAN PLAY TILL THEY ARE 35 BECAUSE TECHNIQUE IS WHAT MATTERS. 35 IS NOT PEAK PHYSICAL CONDITION. NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
On April 04 2015 07:19 dismiss wrote:
So 99% of athletes quit by the time they're 35 because their obtained finesse and skill have magically gone away when you pass that age threshhold?
We can continue to do this, but you're only making a fool out of yourself if you keep repeating that professional athletes are not so far removed from the physical condition of a normal person that it's not even funny anymore.
On April 04 2015 07:11 Jinxed wrote:
I suppose since we're still here "Physical Ability" in the way I am using it means the raw power of the person in question. I am using it just as their basic physical stats (speed, strength, stamina, etc.) "Technique" on the other hand for me is the ability to actually do the thing you're set on doing. Obviously the first is important, but saying that it is more important than the miniscule differences in the second is absolutely ridiculous. In fact I'd say that mental ability (knowing what you're supposed to do, and where you're supposed to be) is also more important than physical ability in sports. You can see this simply by the amount of time that any pro spends on each of the things. Technique is far and away the most worked on thing for all athletes. There is a reason that sports have all of those stupid little drills for players. Because those teach you how to do the basics of the sport that you simply can not make up for with raw power. You absolutely have to have the technique down or else you're not worth anything.
Please see Chad Johnson playing in MLS as an example. Peak physical condition (at the time he was probably the most physically gifted receiver in the NFL), basic knowledge of the game (played in high school, and maybe college), 0 chance of ever playing above the training team.
Now then, if you're seriously going to continue to argue that physical ability trumps technique then I guess we can continue, but I'd really rather not.
On April 04 2015 06:58 dismiss wrote:
You were the one who started with the extremes, I'm not sure why were even having this discussion when you claim thing slike "most people dont know how to kick a ball".
I've played sports pleny of times before and I can confirm, people are indeed capable of performing the basic game actions.
On April 04 2015 06:37 Jinxed wrote:
I can assure you that very few people actually know how to kick a ball. Believe me I've seen enough of the average player to understand that.
Again, have you ever even played a sport? Because I'd love to know where your "knowledge" is coming from.
Also the extremes in your example are hilarious btw. While managing to be completely irrelevant to this conversation.
On April 04 2015 06:34 dismiss wrote:
Someone who doens't know how to kick a ball while still manage to propel it further than someone whose muscles have atrophied completely.
Once again you fail at basic logical reasoning. The vast majority of people have at least a basic concept of how to play a sport, where as very few are at the pinacle of human physical condition.
On April 04 2015 06:32 Jinxed wrote:
If you don't know how to kick a ball it doesn't matter how strong you actually are? Have you ever played a sport?
How is this difficult? I'm legitimately curious.
On April 04 2015 06:30 dismiss wrote:
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If you don't know how to kick a ball it doesn't matter how strong you actually are? Have you ever played a sport?
How is this difficult? I'm legitimately curious.
Someone who doens't know how to kick a ball while still manage to propel it further than someone whose muscles have atrophied completely.
Once again you fail at basic logical reasoning. The vast majority of people have at least a basic concept of how to play a sport, where as very few are at the pinacle of human physical condition.
I can assure you that very few people actually know how to kick a ball. Believe me I've seen enough of the average player to understand that.
Again, have you ever even played a sport? Because I'd love to know where your "knowledge" is coming from.
Also the extremes in your example are hilarious btw. While managing to be completely irrelevant to this conversation.
You were the one who started with the extremes, I'm not sure why were even having this discussion when you claim thing slike "most people dont know how to kick a ball".
I've played sports pleny of times before and I can confirm, people are indeed capable of performing the basic game actions.
I suppose since we're still here "Physical Ability" in the way I am using it means the raw power of the person in question. I am using it just as their basic physical stats (speed, strength, stamina, etc.) "Technique" on the other hand for me is the ability to actually do the thing you're set on doing. Obviously the first is important, but saying that it is more important than the miniscule differences in the second is absolutely ridiculous. In fact I'd say that mental ability (knowing what you're supposed to do, and where you're supposed to be) is also more important than physical ability in sports. You can see this simply by the amount of time that any pro spends on each of the things. Technique is far and away the most worked on thing for all athletes. There is a reason that sports have all of those stupid little drills for players. Because those teach you how to do the basics of the sport that you simply can not make up for with raw power. You absolutely have to have the technique down or else you're not worth anything.
Please see Chad Johnson playing in MLS as an example. Peak physical condition (at the time he was probably the most physically gifted receiver in the NFL), basic knowledge of the game (played in high school, and maybe college), 0 chance of ever playing above the training team.
Now then, if you're seriously going to continue to argue that physical ability trumps technique then I guess we can continue, but I'd really rather not.
So 99% of athletes quit by the time they're 35 because their obtained finesse and skill have magically gone away when you pass that age threshhold?
We can continue to do this, but you're only making a fool out of yourself if you keep repeating that professional athletes are not so far removed from the physical condition of a normal person that it's not even funny anymore.
Holy fucking shit are you incompetent?
Like seriously did you not read a word of what was said? Honestly please, please for the love of god, please fucking try to rub the brain cells in your head together long enough to understand this.
THEY CAN PLAY TILL THEY ARE 35 BECAUSE TECHNIQUE IS WHAT MATTERS. 35 IS NOT PEAK PHYSICAL CONDITION. NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
Please read through your post again and think what you would have done if someone else had written that post and you had stepped in as a moderator.
If another mod wants to action the post, they can feel free to. I'm not going to be continuing the discussion regardless after that so it's all moot at this point.
All right. I'm not concerned about action being taken on it. I do, however, think it's very important that moderators who (quite rightly) warn people for making infuriated posts not do the same themselves. That's why I brought it to your attention.
