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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 26 2015 17:59 GMT
#22121
isn't dota technically a moba albeit inferior
so valve cornered a third of that market with far less players praise gaben
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 18:01:12
March 26 2015 18:00 GMT
#22122
Paying their employees is the least of either companies concerns.


Yah thats my point either companies is at a point where they have to worry about earning real money so from a legal stand point if you are trying to avoid paying excessive amounts of tax it would probably appear that you are earning more if you have to pay more people even if the two companies would be earning the same. Maybe I am thinking to much like a swede trying to avoid paying 50%+ tax on every one of your hard earned £. You know lawyers doing sneaky stuff and all that.
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 18:02:05
March 26 2015 18:01 GMT
#22123
I assumed they said US based because they split Eastern and Western revenue for the games. But the same thing should have been done to Valve. I can't even find the 123m number the article quoted in the original source.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/24/dota-2-makes-18m-per-month-for-valve-but-league-of-legends-makes-that-much-every-5-days/
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

These were the article and the source it quoted.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 26 2015 18:01 GMT
#22124
On March 27 2015 01:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 01:05 BluemoonSC wrote:
the only problem is that some teas aren't as caffeinated as a cup of coffee, which is unfortunate.

lately my stomach hasn't been taking to coffee either :/

You need to work up the iron belly like myself and then you can drink 4 cups a day and be fine. But then again, I have ADD and I'm really just self medicating, so don't do what I do.


Dunno, I used to be able to do the exact same thing (especially bc I also have ADHD). My stomach could just be off balance or what have you.

For a while I was on 3-4 cups. Now I'm down to two, but my Dr. recommended maybe increasing the amount of coffee I drink in lieu of medicating.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 26 2015 18:01 GMT
#22125
On March 27 2015 03:01 SKC wrote:
I can't even find the 123m number the article quoted in the original source.

wait, made up shit in my esports reporting?
never!
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 26 2015 18:04 GMT
#22126
You can tell it's serious when they use this as a headline

DOTA2 REACHES 1,153,407 CONCURRENT USERS BUT STUMBLES INTO PAY-TO-WIN
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2015 18:08 GMT
#22127
Esports and "reporting" shouldn't really be in the same sentence. Most of it boils down to "I talked to a guy in the scene and posted the interview without bothering to fact check anything he said."
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 18:09:04
March 26 2015 18:08 GMT
#22128
dota's still pay2lose with sf arcana and mirana's glowing arrow item
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 26 2015 18:08 GMT
#22129
if dota was more p2w like superior moba they'd be making more money probably
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 26 2015 18:12 GMT
#22130
does superior moba have a secret shop with insanely priced items
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
March 26 2015 18:13 GMT
#22131
That article seems pretty suspect to me

Where do they get their numbers? Valve never releases any of that kind of information
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 26 2015 18:14 GMT
#22132
dota 2 playerbase goes up
game is dying

so what happens if the playerbase growth stagnates? are we undead or 2xded?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2015 18:14 GMT
#22133
Nah, they have skins for their heroes that increase in price the more useless shit they do. And their new heroes are always super busted and then get nerfed after everyone buys them.

Dota just gives you the stupid busted shit for free.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 26 2015 18:14 GMT
#22134
i dont even get it 10Qs havent even been released yet and tencent isn't even listed on US indexes how does this guy know how much revenue riot made in january
likewise how does he know how much doto made, valve isn't publically listed either
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2015 18:16 GMT
#22135
Shhh Andy, facts don't matter when you are talking about a dead game. And it also doesn't matter that every game has a set amount of market penetration that and after that it will slowly pick up new players. All that matter is that more million dollar tournaments you have, the more dead you are.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 18:19:23
March 26 2015 18:17 GMT
#22136
It's a blog from a guy that does market reserch data in digital goods. Maybe he extrapolates it from all kinds of data and it may or may not end up somewhat accurate. A blog doesn't really need that much journalistic integrity.

It's kinda like what happens with scientific journals. The original source isn't that big of a deal. But then a random tech website picks it up and suddenly SCIENCE CURES CANCER
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 18:20:37
March 26 2015 18:19 GMT
#22137
Q: What type of data do we have and where do we get it?
A: Every month we collect the spending data of millions of unique paying online gamers directly from publishers and developers, totaling 50+ publishers and 500+ game titles.

Q: What do we do with the data?
A: We clean, aggregate, and analyze these data to establish market benchmarks for all segments of digital games, then build title-level models to speak to the KPIs of top performing games.

Q: How do we analyze data?
A: We combine the digital point-of-sale data with qualitative consumer insights to speak to the “why” of the market.
Total Monthly Audience * Conversion Rate * Average Revenue Per Paying User

l 0 l
how do i hold all this pseudosbroscience

wait wait
back up on that data
clean it up a bit
ok aggregate it
analyze
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2015 18:21 GMT
#22138
On March 27 2015 03:19 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
Q: What type of data do we have and where do we get it?
A: Every month we collect the spending data of millions of unique paying online gamers directly from publishers and developers, totaling 50+ publishers and 500+ game titles.

Q: What do we do with the data?
A: We clean, aggregate, and analyze these data to establish market benchmarks for all segments of digital games, then build title-level models to speak to the KPIs of top performing games.

Q: How do we analyze data?
A: We combine the digital point-of-sale data with qualitative consumer insights to speak to the “why” of the market.
Total Monthly Audience * Conversion Rate * Average Revenue Per Paying User

l 0 l
how do i hold all this pseudosbroscience

That sounds like some intense speculation right there. That would get you the roundest of numbers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 26 2015 18:22 GMT
#22139
the best numbers are when you start with the population of china, then use your extrapolated TV ratings based on other countries to calculate up to 30 million concurrent users watching your ESPORTS
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 26 2015 18:22 GMT
#22140
damn bust out that KPI calculator np
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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