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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 26 2015 17:38 GMT
#22101
speaking of deadgame apparently some random website pulled something out of their ass that dota2 made valve 18mil a month while superior moba made 5times of that or something.

Not to bait shitposting etc (seriously lol please behave) but i genuinely am intrigued by that 'news'.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 26 2015 17:39 GMT
#22102
so no icon just the rog logo and then "Asus Polar" in the asus font huh
we'll see
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2015 17:41 GMT
#22103
On March 27 2015 02:38 BurningSera wrote:
speaking of deadgame apparently some random website pulled something out of their ass that dota2 made valve 18mil a month while superior moba made 5times of that or something.

Not to bait shitposting etc (seriously lol please behave) but i genuinely am intrigued by that 'news'.

Valve sells many games, Riot only approves one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
March 26 2015 17:41 GMT
#22104
On March 27 2015 02:38 BurningSera wrote:
speaking of deadgame apparently some random website pulled something out of their ass that dota2 made valve 18mil a month while superior moba made 5times of that or something.

Not to bait shitposting etc (seriously lol please behave) but i genuinely am intrigued by that 'news'.

ya i saw this but was too lazy to look into how legit the 18mil number is
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:43:42
March 26 2015 17:41 GMT
#22105
5 times seems high but even if it was, who cares?

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the NBA isn't dead because the NFL trumps it in every metric of ALIVE GAME. All that matters is that the game is sustainable to produce events for, something SC2 never understood as they committed Sudoku.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 26 2015 17:44 GMT
#22106
Hockey is dead game, you heard it here. Suck it Canada, time to learn figure skating.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 26 2015 17:44 GMT
#22107
hockey is honestly like a superior version of soccer
posting on liquid sites in current year
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:47:12
March 26 2015 17:46 GMT
#22108
On March 27 2015 02:38 BurningSera wrote:
speaking of deadgame apparently some random website pulled something out of their ass that dota2 made valve 18mil a month while superior moba made 5times of that or something.

Not to bait shitposting etc (seriously lol please behave) but i genuinely am intrigued by that 'news'.

in that case valve's margin should be way higher
league has at least 7.5x the number of players at peak and probably several times more than that on average

err maybe margin's a bad word
monetization rate per player is way higher? idk
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 26 2015 17:46 GMT
#22109
none of those charts show profit pls
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 26 2015 17:46 GMT
#22110
wasn't Dota 2 a game that made no money and was only there as an ad for steam
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:49:00
March 26 2015 17:48 GMT
#22111
On March 27 2015 02:46 SKC wrote:
wasn't Dota 2 a game that made no money and was only there as an ad for steam

of course not, valve play the long game but they wouldn't make a patently loss-leading game that never became profitable.
although it was still justifiable if that was the case, which was the argument made around the first 2 internationals before the game could possibly have been profitable enough to put on tournaments costing millions of dollars.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:49:40
March 26 2015 17:49 GMT
#22112
I know it's not true. It's just something people spewed all the time until recently.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
March 26 2015 17:50 GMT
#22113
On March 27 2015 02:46 SKC wrote:
wasn't Dota 2 a game that made no money and was only there as an ad for steam

Half-Life 2 was more of an ad for Steam than Dota which has microtransactions and big tournaments which are intended to create money and interest in a proscene.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
March 26 2015 17:51 GMT
#22114
I have no knowledge of this whatsoever but one of the reasons the numbers might be different not counting that they are probably actually earning more because there is a difference between having a f2p and a p2w game. Is that riot employs around 5 times more people. So they would have to actually report a higher number of moneys to pay more people while valve is compared to how much actual work and costumers they have very few people who needs to get payed each month. Therefore has opportunities keep more money inside of their system. Yeah I am super teird and couldnt be arsed to write proper english sorry guys i think i went semi gosi in this one.
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:53:32
March 26 2015 17:52 GMT
#22115
Valve was on a long tail plan with Dota and had the ability to loose money up front for a couple of years just to get everything in it running. Most companies can't do that or afford to fuck around with a market place like they did. At some point they did lose money on the game and it is still a gateway to steam, but has moved to become profitable. The same sort of thing happened with TF2 when it was went free.

The whole dead game discussion is only for people who think we need to "keep up with other Esports" for reasons beyond my understanding.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 26 2015 17:52 GMT
#22116
On March 27 2015 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
none of those charts show profit pls

dont flame my 3 second google search to make a point!

;_;
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:55:33
March 26 2015 17:54 GMT
#22117
On March 27 2015 02:51 njt7 wrote:
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I have no knowledge of this whatsoever but one of the reasons the numbers might be different not counting that they are probably actually earning more because there is a difference between having a f2p and a p2w game. Is that riot employs around 5 times more people. So they would have to actually report a higher number of moneys to pay more people while valve is compared to how much actual work and costumers they have very few people who needs to get payed each month. Therefore has opportunities keep more money inside of their system. Yeah I am super teird and couldnt be arsed to write proper english sorry guys i think i went semi gosi in this one.

well 1) as others have said it doesnt' actually matter that LoL is bigger
2) I never read the article so i dunno if it's talking net or gross (aka profit vs revenue)
3) the dota team is sub 100 ppl, the LoL team is > 1000 so w/e. Paying their employees is the least of either companies concerns.
On March 27 2015 02:52 crms wrote:
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On March 27 2015 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
none of those charts show profit pls

dont flame my 3 second google search to make a point!

;_;

ur graphs were simultaneously too informative for GD and not informative enough for usefulness gg
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 26 2015 17:56 GMT
#22118
The source of that article also says that Valve made 18m and the overall Moba market made in the US made 54m. Which isn't 5 times unless I'm missing something.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 26 2015 17:58 GMT
#22119
On March 27 2015 02:44 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
hockey is honestly like a superior version of soccer

You mean Bandy? It's literally football on ice but with a smaller ball and sticks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandy

Hockey is just superior sport period.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-26 17:59:47
March 26 2015 17:59 GMT
#22120
well riot isn't really american anymore
owned by tencent
huge chinese/korean playerbase
etc
also depends on if ur including things like topdeckmoba, matchfixingmoba, superiorsuperiormoba, other versions of inferiorsuperiordeadmoba, etc (okay obviously not cardstone or sctoo but u know)

Although obviously valve makes a lot of money from not americans too
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