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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
June 04 2019 16:53 GMT
#201381
On June 04 2019 19:46 PoulsenB wrote:
Those investigative pieces from Kotaku are great

Say what you will about the political leanings of their writers and the quality of their editorials and opinions, but I have yet to see a games news outlet have the same level of hard investigative journalism as Kotaku.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 20:25:09
June 04 2019 20:24 GMT
#201382
On June 04 2019 09:46 Nevuk wrote:
Speaking of programming this error in dota :
[image loading]
I'm sure i could post it on reddit, title it "literally unplayable" and get a thousand karma, but that seems dumb to me.


I've been trying to play/learn league the last few months and honestly that level of info is what you get, except you have to get it outside the client (can't read enemy/ally hero skills in-game) and it makes the game so fucking impossible to learn.

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/pyke/

As an example. It amuses the shit out of me, because when dota 2 came out a lot of league's design talk was on 'burden of knowledge' but the client is so fucking awful that burden of knowledge is actually an impassable wall in the game.

The game itself is not bad, but holyfuck the client is a garbage fire.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 20:44:14
June 04 2019 20:43 GMT
#201383
Well, I think the way they handle their weird runes/mastery or w/e it's called system is part of why, since it'd be super obvious to a new player that they're doing 30% less dmg/heal on every skill than the maxed out lifetime player, rather than just something that you learn.

It's probably that AND some really shitty coding. Is it still in adobe air?
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7733 Posts
June 04 2019 20:47 GMT
#201384
Do you still have to buy the runes you need in the shop? That part of LoL is just super dumb
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 22:36:13
June 04 2019 22:34 GMT
#201385
Nah there's a pregame "rune" page that you can edit and control, but levelling up your account gives you more control over the rune pages, not directly more power. It'd be like if dota had/let you lock in your talent trees and adjust your stat growths before the game - you gain some flexibility that you can use to match your goals, but it isn't anything super gamebreaking, and for low level accounts it just assigns 'default' values and doesnt let you adjust them.

Also it isn't at all super obvious if someone is doing 30% more damage than you, because there's practically no disincentive towards smurfing and the game is very snowbally, so if you're starting the game and playing against smurfs, you probably just get evaporated.

The problems arise because you have virtually no tools to determine what happened. You can't read your opponent's abilities in-game, the death recap is notoriously broken and useless, and the normal external media (champ spotlights / google) provides outdated or broken data. Coming from dota, its a super shitty game to learn, because almost the whole game is expected to operate on feel rather than data.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 05 2019 01:32 GMT
#201386
thanks for clearing this up man
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
June 05 2019 02:41 GMT
#201387
It's either a coincidence or social strand system is some callback to the S3 plan from MGS2.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7733 Posts
June 05 2019 08:10 GMT
#201388
On June 05 2019 07:34 Fleetfeet wrote:
Nah there's a pregame "rune" page that you can edit and control, but levelling up your account gives you more control over the rune pages, not directly more power. It'd be like if dota had/let you lock in your talent trees and adjust your stat growths before the game - you gain some flexibility that you can use to match your goals, but it isn't anything super gamebreaking, and for low level accounts it just assigns 'default' values and doesnt let you adjust them.

Also it isn't at all super obvious if someone is doing 30% more damage than you, because there's practically no disincentive towards smurfing and the game is very snowbally, so if you're starting the game and playing against smurfs, you probably just get evaporated.

The problems arise because you have virtually no tools to determine what happened. You can't read your opponent's abilities in-game, the death recap is notoriously broken and useless, and the normal external media (champ spotlights / google) provides outdated or broken data. Coming from dota, its a super shitty game to learn, because almost the whole game is expected to operate on feel rather than data.

It's a shame because I really liked the design and lore of some champions in LoL (like Poppy). Sounds like the game would be difficult to pickup and play casually just for shits and giggles.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 05 2019 14:00 GMT
#201389
This pokémon direct was so sick

Looks so good
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
June 05 2019 14:43 GMT
#201390
On June 05 2019 23:00 Unleashing wrote:
This pokémon direct was so sick

Looks so good

I like how Wooloo is just a sheep with curls.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
June 05 2019 15:23 GMT
#201391
its probably just an action game, but he wants to be cryptic about it
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
June 05 2019 22:08 GMT
#201392
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1287-z

They found a way to save the schodringer 🐈 lol
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
June 06 2019 09:53 GMT
#201393
Test
On a side note, I've never gotten LAN flu til now it's interesting
https://www.twitch.tv/deso_739
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-06 13:32:48
June 06 2019 13:06 GMT
#201394
anyone tried auto chess on phone yet

its actually quite well made, its really hard to manage everything u can do in normal autochess tho when it gets to the do much rounds
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 06 2019 13:33 GMT
#201395
On June 06 2019 18:53 Maverick_2009 wrote:
Test
On a side note, I've never gotten LAN flu til now it's interesting

Wait, since when the name change? As before the quoted post?

Hope you're getting better! I heard the weather in Scotland sucks these days?!
passive quaranstream fan
Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
June 06 2019 13:56 GMT
#201396
On June 06 2019 22:33 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2019 18:53 Maverick_2009 wrote:
Test
On a side note, I've never gotten LAN flu til now it's interesting

Wait, since when the name change? As before the quoted post?

Hope you're getting better! I heard the weather in Scotland sucks these days?!

this morning xd just thought it'd be better overall especially for my EsPoRtS purposes and yeah the weather's here been absolute shite it just rains heavily everyday from like 4pm until the next morning and it's pretty gloomy and depressing tbh
https://www.twitch.tv/deso_739
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 06 2019 13:59 GMT
#201397
On June 05 2019 17:10 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2019 07:34 Fleetfeet wrote:
Nah there's a pregame "rune" page that you can edit and control, but levelling up your account gives you more control over the rune pages, not directly more power. It'd be like if dota had/let you lock in your talent trees and adjust your stat growths before the game - you gain some flexibility that you can use to match your goals, but it isn't anything super gamebreaking, and for low level accounts it just assigns 'default' values and doesnt let you adjust them.

Also it isn't at all super obvious if someone is doing 30% more damage than you, because there's practically no disincentive towards smurfing and the game is very snowbally, so if you're starting the game and playing against smurfs, you probably just get evaporated.

The problems arise because you have virtually no tools to determine what happened. You can't read your opponent's abilities in-game, the death recap is notoriously broken and useless, and the normal external media (champ spotlights / google) provides outdated or broken data. Coming from dota, its a super shitty game to learn, because almost the whole game is expected to operate on feel rather than data.

It's a shame because I really liked the design and lore of some champions in LoL (like Poppy). Sounds like the game would be difficult to pickup and play casually just for shits and giggles.

I also find the new tooltips are baffling and useless for runes. Instead of telling you useful things at a glance like cooldowns or what they've given you (extra HP/armor) they sometimes give you really meaningless statistics, like "you've done X damage with this ability" and stuff.
kiss kiss fall in love
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 06 2019 14:34 GMT
#201398
teddy did you delete your facebook or smth im trying to message you but it wont let me
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-06 15:17:54
June 06 2019 14:50 GMT
#201399
no i blocked u

just msg me on steam or discord or watsapp or telegram or threema or watever the fuck ppl use nowadays im sure theres new shit alrdy
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 06 2019 15:36 GMT
#201400
Is there any E3 thread on the forums? I can't seem to find one. Usually Faruko makes one!
passive quaranstream fan
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