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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 18:10:05
August 21 2012 18:09 GMT
#17481
Note that refraction not only has defensive charges but also offensive charges, with mom you will use those up very quickly and that is a lot of damage, plus if you ever get caught without refraction you will die very fast. it could be fun against teams who have little ways to break refraction though. Usually deso and Buriza is the way to go.(or BKB, for the survivability).
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17078 Posts
August 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#17482
On August 21 2012 18:16 flamewheel wrote:
Empy it's nice to see you post.


aww thx
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
August 21 2012 18:20 GMT
#17483
I never feel comfortable buying the desolator, what heroes should I get it on? The dmg and -6 armour just doesn't feel enough. I would rather build to a larger item or get a stat item or sorts (like yasha/bkb).
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 21 2012 18:23 GMT
#17484
Well it's a relic worth of damage and the orb in this case costs 400gold. I generally get deso on heroes that have very high natural DPS, as it improves your dps by% on top of nice damage. I get Deso on BH and TA, sometimes on Skeleton King(mostly when we stomp, for larger crits). If you don't want any other orb and have big DPS already, consider deso. MKB and Deadalus are usually better thou
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 21 2012 18:27 GMT
#17485
The ursa alpine set is gone?
At least can't find it in shop
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 18:31:25
August 21 2012 18:27 GMT
#17486
On August 22 2012 03:20 Benjef wrote:
I never feel comfortable buying the desolator, what heroes should I get it on? The dmg and -6 armour just doesn't feel enough. I would rather build to a larger item or get a stat item or sorts (like yasha/bkb).

It affects buildings and is a nice pushing item that's cheaper than an AC and gives greater -armor for pushing against towers.

It also has much smaller parts than an AC and is better early game. Basically the earlier you get a deso the better, if you get it late it is a terrible item but if you can get it very early it's excellent on most heroes.

edit : So basically heroes who can farm rapidly and would make use of the negative armor. (Heroes who have built in negative armor like TA or BH it's a plus on anyways). Furion is another hero it's useful for.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
August 21 2012 18:27 GMT
#17487
On August 22 2012 03:27 Yoshi- wrote:
The ursa alpine set is gone?
At least can't find it in shop

Yep looks like it, hate valve for not just taking it a step further and going unicorn chaos night
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 21 2012 18:29 GMT
#17488
On August 22 2012 03:27 ragnorr wrote:
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On August 22 2012 03:27 Yoshi- wrote:
The ursa alpine set is gone?
At least can't find it in shop

Yep looks like it, hate valve for not just taking it a step further and going unicorn chaos night

Well, HoN is still there I guess
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
August 21 2012 18:35 GMT
#17489
On August 22 2012 02:56 konadora wrote:
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On August 22 2012 02:46 how2TL wrote:
Templar Assassin

1. Does shift-queuing Meld after Blink work? I've tried it out but once in a while I still attack first after blinking instead of immediately Melding. Don't know if it's the game or my execution.

2. Is MoM viable on her? No one anywhere has posted about using MoM on TA but I thought the synergy between MoM and Refraction might have some merit. Obviously if Refraction is broken too quickly, you're going to die but even without MoM I die if I don't use Refraction properly. Figured MoM would amplify the benefit in those engagements when Refraction is used well.

Any other execution/strategy tips/tricks on TA would be appreciated. She's fun. Blinking into a teamfight to get a perfect Meld to pierce through multiple targets is really cool.

1. not sure

2. deso gives better dps, and note that the spill damage is pure so the higher the initial hit, the better. meld +refraction + deso deals better dps. TA is all about hitting hard, not hitting fast.


Shift-queue after meld doesn't work if you blink into an area where your hero will autoattack.

I mean try blinking with sand king into creeps with a shift-ult, same result. [ Read: Blink into creeps>Then channel ulti ] Your hero has to have no other priority commands issued to it, either by you or the game AI in order to shift-queue meld blink. And in this example, autoattacking a hostile unit is higher priority than your shift queue after blink.

And deso was already covered.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 21 2012 18:50 GMT
#17490
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 21 2012 18:52 GMT
#17491
On August 22 2012 03:27 Nevuk wrote:
edit : So basically heroes who can farm rapidly and would make use of the negative armor. (Heroes who have built in negative armor like TA or BH it's a plus on anyways). Furion is another hero it's useful for.

I never saw the appeal of it on Furion TBH. His inherent baseline right-click damage isn't that high--so it feels like Mjollnir or MKB would be more effective for him.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 21 2012 18:53 GMT
#17492
On August 22 2012 03:50 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Real Talk with Tobi is live

http://www.twitch.tv/itmeJP

Cool i had forgotten thanks. i hope i didn't miss much.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 21 2012 18:53 GMT
#17493
It hasn't really started yet
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Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
August 21 2012 18:53 GMT
#17494
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#17495
On August 22 2012 03:53 Dattish wrote:
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On August 22 2012 03:52 TheYango wrote:
On August 22 2012 03:27 Nevuk wrote:
edit : So basically heroes who can farm rapidly and would make use of the negative armor. (Heroes who have built in negative armor like TA or BH it's a plus on anyways). Furion is another hero it's useful for.

I never saw the appeal of it on Furion TBH. His inherent baseline right-click damage isn't that high--so it feels like Mjollnir or MKB would be more effective for him.

why not all 3? :D



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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 21 2012 19:04 GMT
#17496
On August 22 2012 03:50 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Real Talk with Tobi is live

http://www.twitch.tv/itmeJP

Now it officially starts
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Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
August 21 2012 19:09 GMT
#17497
On August 22 2012 03:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 03:27 Nevuk wrote:
edit : So basically heroes who can farm rapidly and would make use of the negative armor. (Heroes who have built in negative armor like TA or BH it's a plus on anyways). Furion is another hero it's useful for.

I never saw the appeal of it on Furion TBH. His inherent baseline right-click damage isn't that high--so it feels like Mjollnir or MKB would be more effective for him.


the reason people like to get in on furion is that it works on towers. Tower get -6 armor which help your treant's a lot
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
August 21 2012 19:13 GMT
#17498
On August 22 2012 04:04 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2012 03:50 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Real Talk with Tobi is live

http://www.twitch.tv/itmeJP

Now it officially starts

Hoping for an interesting episode. ^^
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 21 2012 19:41 GMT
#17499
The strength of deso is that it applies a debuff that can be utilized by your entire team. The strength of this depends on how many people will be able to make use of it and if you'll be able to send them into the negatives. Knocking something into the negatives gives an incredible damage boost which isn't too hard early, and even if you aren't knocking them into the negatives it is still a significant damage increase.

If your team has two or three strong right clickers then somebody should be making deso imo
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 21 2012 19:42 GMT
#17500
On August 22 2012 04:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
The strength of deso is that it applies a debuff that can be utilized by your entire team. The strength of this depends on how many people will be able to make use of it and if you'll be able to send them into the negatives. Knocking something into the negatives gives an incredible damage boost which isn't too hard early, and even if you aren't knocking them into the negatives it is still a significant damage increase.

If your team has two or three strong right clickers then somebody should be making deso imo

If it's a team thing, a medallion is better than deso.
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