EPTNow I understand this. You gotta pick the best heroes you play, and most importantly, you gotta pick those that are overall great heroes for their respective roles. My question is, would having a hero like Spiritbreaker, Juggernaut or Sven be completely useless in pro games? Or they just don't wanna take risks and play safe?
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
Now I understand this. You gotta pick the best heroes you play, and most importantly, you gotta pick those that are overall great heroes for their respective roles. My question is, would having a hero like Spiritbreaker, Juggernaut or Sven be completely useless in pro games? Or they just don't wanna take risks and play safe? | ||
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.AK
United States561 Posts
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198004861670 ~60 games played, roles I like so far are melee strength carries and support. I am on a lot when I don't have to work/school. Voice communication really preferred, especially when playing with newer people to go over plays talk out strategies, etc. Additionally, since our hero threads are very lacking atm can I post hero specific questions here or is that better suited for simple answers. Look forward to playing with TL. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On August 10 2012 05:35 PrinceXizor wrote: When leshrac has farmed blood stone + bkb its because he's not being run as support and won't get drums, OR its a one sided game OR it's end game. all situations where drums are not the best choice for a next item. Since when is drum a support item? Drum is pretty much one of THE most cost-effective items, cheaper than an ult orb with the same stats + movespeed and an awesome active, it's a GREAT item, as already mentioned, it's a bad mentality that more than 1 drum on a team is bad. I always get a drum either before or after my bloodstone on lesh. Mobility+Leshrac=<3 On August 10 2012 06:06 Bleak wrote: Well I also want to ask something else...why is it that in the pro games only a specific pool of heroes are selected? It seems that all teams have something like 10 favourite heroes that they wanna play and combo with, and the rest are pretty much ignored. Now I understand this. You gotta pick the best heroes you play, and most importantly, you gotta pick those that are overall great heroes for their respective roles. My question is, would having a hero like Spiritbreaker, Juggernaut or Sven be completely useless in pro games? Or they just don't wanna take risks and play safe? It's because some heroes are more reliable than others, and in some cases are simply better or fit the meta better. Juggernaut is occasionally picked and does well. Sven isn't really picked anymore but he's not a bad pick, there are just heroes that fulfill his role a bit better. And spirit breaker is a horrible hero with practically no spot in any line-up what so ever competitively. And the Competitive hero pool in DotA2 is actually pretty big, IMHO. And it also comes up to the teams and players that is on your team and that you're against, mouz loves their SD kunkka and has made it very effective, most other teams wont touch it. So yea. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On August 10 2012 06:06 Bleak wrote: Well I also want to ask something else...why is it that in the pro games only a specific pool of heroes are selected? It seems that all teams have something like 10 favourite heroes that they wanna play and combo with, and the rest are pretty much ignored. Now I understand this. You gotta pick the best heroes you play, and most importantly, you gotta pick those that are overall great heroes for their respective roles. My question is, would having a hero like Spiritbreaker or Sven be completely useless in pro games? Or they just don't wanna take risks and play safe? Some heroes are better than others. For example, alchemist is a walking liability. Technically, his ulti makes him a really really strong hard carry, but he's virtually useless before he gets that farm. Compare that to morphling, which has good burst damage/escape in the form of waveform (hahaha), and has utility once he gets a few core items. Other heroes aren't played often because other heroes get the job done better. Mirana is rarely ever used (except against PB lol) because WR can do what mirana does, but much better. Other heroes like sven are really easily countered. Purge him and his ulti is dispelled (I think?) and it makes him move at crawling speed. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 10 2012 06:12 Heh_ wrote: Some heroes are better than others. For example, alchemist is a walking liability. Technically, his ulti makes him a really really strong hard carry, but he's virtually useless before he gets that farm. Compare that to morphling, which has good burst damage/escape in the form of waveform (hahaha), and has utility once he gets a few core items. Other heroes aren't played often because other heroes get the job done better. Mirana is rarely ever used (except against PB lol) because WR can do what mirana does, but much better. Other heroes like sven are really easily countered. Purge him and his ulti is dispelled (I think?) and it makes him move at crawling speed. IIRC that was changed in 6.73 to be un-purge-able. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 10 2012 06:06 Bleak wrote: Well I also want to ask something else...why is it that in the pro games only a specific pool of heroes are selected? It seems that all teams have something like 10 favourite heroes that they wanna play and combo with, and the rest are pretty much ignored. Now I understand this. You gotta pick the best heroes you play, and most importantly, you gotta pick those that are overall great heroes for their respective roles. My question is, would having a hero like Spiritbreaker, Juggernaut or Sven be completely useless in pro games? Or they just don't wanna take risks and play safe? Well look at the pool used often: Split pushing + Mobility Morph Brood Tinker Prophet Veno Lone Druid Enigma Anti-Mage Leshrac Team fight Tidehunter Dark Seer Invoker Rubick Siren Brewmaster Earthshaker Ganking Crystal Maiden Storm spirit Shadow shaman Ancient apparition Shadow Demon Vengeful Spirit Nightstalker Chaos Knight Beastmaster Sand King those are the most common picks not in any order at all. These for the most part are characters that are versatile and not set into a specific strategy. For instance sand king is an incredible ganking hero but can also be used as a setup stun in lane AND as counter push AND as mid game teamfight now the rest of the cast is either niche characters, very skill based, or generally difficult to use effectively against coordinated teams. then on top of that there are meta changes between split push based, gank based or team fight based. certain heroes are bad against certain strategies, which force them to be picked in last 2 slots. which opens them to being banned if the conditions are right, OR just not picked in favor of countering the enemy instead. it's not that the others are bad, it's just that versatility is the name of the game for the first three picks and the last two picks have to have the right conditions to be the "fringe" heroes. | ||
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Netherlands12045 Posts
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United States18466 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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On August 10 2012 09:30 ahswtini wrote: Swap not available in SD wtf O_O the only time you want it rofl | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
Ahahah MoM is insane. I was tinker mid against sf, and i was up 1/0. So his friend wisp decides its killing time. As you know wisp doesnt exactly have a reliable stun. They ran to me, I MoM then run under the tower. Wisp dies to tower + MoM. Sf dies to MoM. Rofl | ||
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United States17713 Posts
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Maand
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
HIGHLIGHTS: - Added Swap Hero. This cannot be used after creeps spawn or in SD. Accessible via right click on heroes in the scoreboard. - Spectators watching Dota TV can now access the dashboard chat channels. - All broadcasters in a channel now transmit their voice to spectators that have selected that channel. GAMEPLAY: - Bloodseeker: Fixed Blood Bath not working on siege units. - Bounty Hunter: Fixed Shadow Walk damaging buildings. - Juggernaut: Fixed Omnislash jumping to ancients. - Juggernaut: Fixed Bladefury showing per target visual effect when hurting invis units. - Lifestealer: Fixed Ensnare not going away after using Infest. - Lone Druid: Fixed creep aggro behavior with Spirit Bear - Templar Assassin: Fixed Meld when attacking Items. - Undying: Fixed Tombstone spawning zombies against couriers. - Undying: Fixed Tombstone receiving too much aggro from towers. - Undying: Fixed Zombies not dying when their target becomes invisible. - Fixed canceling TP scrolls causing projectiles to be dodged. - Fixed gold lost on death being reduced too much when carrying Bloodstone. - Fixed various bounce abilities malfunctioning if the targets die during it. UI : - Added Swap Hero. This cannot be used after creeps spawn or in SD. Accessible via right click on heroes in the scoreboard. - Spectators watching Dota TV can now access the dashboard chat channels. - Broadcasters will now see lines drawn by their cobroadcasters. - Spectators will now see all lines drawn by any broadcaster in their selected broadcast channel. - The Tournament Panel now fits 4 live games in preparation for The International. - When the cursor is hidden due to inactivity, it no longer causes unit glows or other highlight shennanigans. - Fixed a bug where hero icons were missing from chat lines occasionally. - The Hero selector now allows instant spawn on public games with only 1 or 2 humans in them. - Fixed the chat bubble display to work properly with open mic thresholding. - Fixed timeline markers not updating correctly if you jumped around in a replay. - Added a toggle-able chat window to the Hero Selection Spectator view. - Various improvements to the readability of the Hero Selection Spectator view. - Spectator view of Hero Selection now shows player's names under their selected heroes. - Fixed spectators not being able to see item ownership on the courier. - The buyback stat dropdown now shows if the hero will or won't be able to buyback if the hero dies now (and if they can't, it shows the remaining cooldown or the extra gold needed to be able to die and buyback). - Fixed rogue selection rings in spectator mode. - Added a console command for league admins to end the game (dota_ref_winner_radiant/dota_ref_winner_dire) VISUALS: - Fixed bug where some heroes would not display any wearables when watching replays. AUDIO: - Added colored VU meter in the audio settings panel for evaluating and adjusting volume levels. - Added "mute co-broadcasters" setting. - All broadcasters in a channel now transmit their voice to spectators that have selected that channel. - Broadcasters that are in the same channel can now hear each other when they talk. - Hero ban sounds are now enabled when spectating Captain's Mode. WORKSHOP: - Fixed a bug in Wearable Importing when using SMD files (fixes items not attaching correctly to the hero model) probably because nobody pasted patchnotes yet ^_^ | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:02 YODA_ wrote: Sing with a huge PL game, was down 1-7 by 10 minutes, clawed back, farmed for 40 minutes, shows up to team fight with radiance, manta, diffusal, and heart and just rapes the entire team in multiple team fights, wins game after being down a rax and several towers, and down almost 20 kills at one point lol. He had 708 gpm at the end of the game lol. And he kept baiting the opponent to waste spells on illusions haha. The illusion vs illusion battle was awesome lol. | ||
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