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Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 16:45:18
August 09 2012 16:44 GMT
#16181
Wouldn't recommend morphling if you're new to the game and don't know how to play "carry". The hero has very high potential but it takes a lot of skill to perform properly with the hero. It's so easily surpassed by carries with abilities that scale better lategame if you don't know how to not die/can't even get 4 cs/min.

Void, Mortred and N'aix are much more straightfoward albeit also weaker in laning and counterpushing.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 09 2012 16:45 GMT
#16182
On August 10 2012 01:22 Kipsate wrote:
The only thing linkens has going for it is that it has a good buildup in having a pers, however with ring of aquila and a bottle+wand you should be fine really

Don't forget that Manta removes debuffs aswell, usefull for Silences(e.g Night Stalker, or even Drow Ranger if there happens to be one in the game) or other nasty debuffs.

ow and if you are pro you can dodge stuns/projectiles with it

thats more of a ping/delay thing really, no matter how pro you are if you have 300 ping there is no way in hell you can dodge things with manta
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 09 2012 17:17 GMT
#16183
On August 10 2012 01:45 cilinder007 wrote:
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On August 10 2012 01:22 Kipsate wrote:
The only thing linkens has going for it is that it has a good buildup in having a pers, however with ring of aquila and a bottle+wand you should be fine really

Don't forget that Manta removes debuffs aswell, usefull for Silences(e.g Night Stalker, or even Drow Ranger if there happens to be one in the game) or other nasty debuffs.

ow and if you are pro you can dodge stuns/projectiles with it

thats more of a ping/delay thing really, no matter how pro you are if you have 300 ping there is no way in hell you can dodge things with manta


pretty sure I dodged some stuff with manta in some tlihs

and I had 300 ping!
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 09 2012 17:19 GMT
#16184
You can often predict stuff will happen and dodge it no problem. Also with many projectiles you need to just disjoint them. Not the easiest thing to do in most cases but doable no matter the ping if you can nostradamus your way into GG
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 09 2012 18:09 GMT
#16185
On August 10 2012 02:19 Qbek wrote:
You can often predict stuff will happen and dodge it no problem. Also with many projectiles you need to just disjoint them. Not the easiest thing to do in most cases but doable no matter the ping if you can nostradamus your way into GG

Manta doesn't disjoint projectiles IIRC. It only dodges projectiles that hit during the invuln time. It doesn't disjoint projectiles the way blinks do.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 09 2012 18:26 GMT
#16186
On August 10 2012 03:09 TheYango wrote:
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On August 10 2012 02:19 Qbek wrote:
You can often predict stuff will happen and dodge it no problem. Also with many projectiles you need to just disjoint them. Not the easiest thing to do in most cases but doable no matter the ping if you can nostradamus your way into GG

Manta doesn't disjoint projectiles IIRC. It only dodges projectiles that hit during the invuln time. It doesn't disjoint projectiles the way blinks do.

yeah thats a hold over from mirror image in war 3. it makes you not exist for a little bit. the hero technically is not there for that brief period of time. you also lose XP for anything killed during the manta split ( at least in war 3)
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 09 2012 18:30 GMT
#16187
I've recently started playing Leshrac a lot and I'm loving him, he is very powerful when used right, his aoe dmg is sick and his stun, although difficult to land, is very very effective. Plus, he runs through towers like they are made of paper.

I noticed in my first couple games that he is also very fragile, so I started to build 2x bracers for him especially when the opposing team has huge burst dmg potential. Is this a good way of playing this hero? Would it be good to go for 2x talismans instead for when opposing team isn't that burst heavy? Or in general, more survivability for a support hero like him is good? I'm kinda leaning on this last point, but I wanna get some ideas.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 09 2012 18:32 GMT
#16188
^ I generally go blood stone on Leshrac so boosters are best solutions to those problems. Once you have BS you no longer have to worry about mana and it gives you a lot of HP too
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Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 09 2012 18:44 GMT
#16189
On August 10 2012 03:32 Qbek wrote:
^ I generally go blood stone on Leshrac so boosters are best solutions to those problems. Once you have BS you no longer have to worry about mana and it gives you a lot of HP too


I already go for Bloodstone. My concern is for early to midgame where when certain heroes attack you, you just kinda sit there and die and there's not much you can do. He has a low hp.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 18:50:18
August 09 2012 18:49 GMT
#16190
On August 10 2012 03:44 Bleak wrote:
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On August 10 2012 03:32 Qbek wrote:
^ I generally go blood stone on Leshrac so boosters are best solutions to those problems. Once you have BS you no longer have to worry about mana and it gives you a lot of HP too


I already go for Bloodstone. My concern is for early to midgame where when certain heroes attack you, you just kinda sit there and die and there's not much you can do. He has a low hp.

2xbracer is similar to a vit booster, just go for it instead. If you need even more, maybe play a bit more careful until you get point booster. Yes you have low HP and you have to get close to use edict well, but really you should focus on towers until you get more beefy, which means going to a lane you have 2 heroes on, forcing the enemy out and taking down the tower. with tower gold, you should be good on HP
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 09 2012 18:51 GMT
#16191
bkb/ghost scepter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 09 2012 18:51 GMT
#16192
On August 10 2012 03:49 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 03:44 Bleak wrote:
On August 10 2012 03:32 Qbek wrote:
^ I generally go blood stone on Leshrac so boosters are best solutions to those problems. Once you have BS you no longer have to worry about mana and it gives you a lot of HP too


I already go for Bloodstone. My concern is for early to midgame where when certain heroes attack you, you just kinda sit there and die and there's not much you can do. He has a low hp.

2xbracer is similar to a vit booster, just go for it instead. If you need even more, maybe play a bit more careful until you get point booster. Yes you have low HP and you have to get close to use edict well, but really you should focus on towers until you get more beefy, which means going to a lane you have 2 heroes on, forcing the enemy out and taking down the tower. with tower gold, you should be good on HP


Gotcha thanks a lot. I guess I'm gonna go for boosters in general first now because they lead to Bloodstone nicely.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 09 2012 18:54 GMT
#16193
On August 10 2012 03:51 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 03:49 Qbek wrote:
On August 10 2012 03:44 Bleak wrote:
On August 10 2012 03:32 Qbek wrote:
^ I generally go blood stone on Leshrac so boosters are best solutions to those problems. Once you have BS you no longer have to worry about mana and it gives you a lot of HP too


I already go for Bloodstone. My concern is for early to midgame where when certain heroes attack you, you just kinda sit there and die and there's not much you can do. He has a low hp.

2xbracer is similar to a vit booster, just go for it instead. If you need even more, maybe play a bit more careful until you get point booster. Yes you have low HP and you have to get close to use edict well, but really you should focus on towers until you get more beefy, which means going to a lane you have 2 heroes on, forcing the enemy out and taking down the tower. with tower gold, you should be good on HP


Gotcha thanks a lot. I guess I'm gonna go for boosters in general first now because they lead to Bloodstone nicely.

YEah the point is bracers really do nothing for you later unless you make drums and that's only one. Ofc get bracers if can't find any money, they have very cheap parts so they are great if you're underfarmed. But if you're not struggling just go for boosters
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 09 2012 18:58 GMT
#16194
I've seen leshrac go for drums. While leshrac isn't the best hero to wield drums, it is pretty easy to upgrade a bracer into drums for some nice stats and movespeed. Just get 1 bracer instead of 2; I find that 2 of them take up too much inventory space.
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
August 09 2012 19:05 GMT
#16195
On August 10 2012 03:58 Heh_ wrote:
I've seen leshrac go for drums. While leshrac isn't the best hero to wield drums, it is pretty easy to upgrade a bracer into drums for some nice stats and movespeed. Just get 1 bracer instead of 2; I find that 2 of them take up too much inventory space.

I see no issue in drum on lesh. Lesh can farm quickly, so delaying core isn't that bad. Furhtermore, he thrives off of movespeed in getting in position in teamfights to lay that aoe damage down. To me, drums on lesh should be a nobrainer.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 09 2012 19:08 GMT
#16196
On August 10 2012 04:05 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 03:58 Heh_ wrote:
I've seen leshrac go for drums. While leshrac isn't the best hero to wield drums, it is pretty easy to upgrade a bracer into drums for some nice stats and movespeed. Just get 1 bracer instead of 2; I find that 2 of them take up too much inventory space.

I see no issue in drum on lesh. Lesh can farm quickly, so delaying core isn't that bad. Furhtermore, he thrives off of movespeed in getting in position in teamfights to lay that aoe damage down. To me, drums on lesh should be a nobrainer.

drums cuts into time it takes to get blood stone and bkb. and once lesh gets both of those typically it means someone else has drums.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
August 09 2012 20:07 GMT
#16197
On August 10 2012 04:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 04:05 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
On August 10 2012 03:58 Heh_ wrote:
I've seen leshrac go for drums. While leshrac isn't the best hero to wield drums, it is pretty easy to upgrade a bracer into drums for some nice stats and movespeed. Just get 1 bracer instead of 2; I find that 2 of them take up too much inventory space.

I see no issue in drum on lesh. Lesh can farm quickly, so delaying core isn't that bad. Furhtermore, he thrives off of movespeed in getting in position in teamfights to lay that aoe damage down. To me, drums on lesh should be a nobrainer.

drums cuts into time it takes to get blood stone and bkb. and once lesh gets both of those typically it means someone else has drums.

I don't even consider leshrac as a hero who has a solid core of items. Unless I'm crushing the game I don't get a blood stone, if they have some sort of decent phys dmg output and not a ton of magic I don't end up going bkb either. However I feel drum is a very very good item on him. It's plenty of hp, mana ms which is really important and very good on lesh seeing as he has 315 base ms and the as doesn't hurt as he typically gets lots of +int items so his auto's aren't really that weak even . Lesh is really flexible in terms of items.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 20:13:17
August 09 2012 20:12 GMT
#16198
On August 10 2012 04:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 04:05 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
On August 10 2012 03:58 Heh_ wrote:
I've seen leshrac go for drums. While leshrac isn't the best hero to wield drums, it is pretty easy to upgrade a bracer into drums for some nice stats and movespeed. Just get 1 bracer instead of 2; I find that 2 of them take up too much inventory space.

I see no issue in drum on lesh. Lesh can farm quickly, so delaying core isn't that bad. Furhtermore, he thrives off of movespeed in getting in position in teamfights to lay that aoe damage down. To me, drums on lesh should be a nobrainer.

drums cuts into time it takes to get blood stone and bkb. and once lesh gets both of those typically it means someone else has drums.

Drums isn't a one-of item. Multiple drums is fine because the aura doesn't comprise a huge portion of the gold value, and it's more cost-efficient to build multiple drums than to recharge existing drums (and if those drum charges don't get used, your drum holders are doing something wrong).
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 09 2012 20:35 GMT
#16199
On August 10 2012 05:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 04:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 10 2012 04:05 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
On August 10 2012 03:58 Heh_ wrote:
I've seen leshrac go for drums. While leshrac isn't the best hero to wield drums, it is pretty easy to upgrade a bracer into drums for some nice stats and movespeed. Just get 1 bracer instead of 2; I find that 2 of them take up too much inventory space.

I see no issue in drum on lesh. Lesh can farm quickly, so delaying core isn't that bad. Furhtermore, he thrives off of movespeed in getting in position in teamfights to lay that aoe damage down. To me, drums on lesh should be a nobrainer.

drums cuts into time it takes to get blood stone and bkb. and once lesh gets both of those typically it means someone else has drums.

Drums isn't a one-of item. Multiple drums is fine because the aura doesn't comprise a huge portion of the gold value, and it's more cost-efficient to build multiple drums than to recharge existing drums (and if those drum charges don't get used, your drum holders are doing something wrong).

When leshrac has farmed blood stone + bkb its because he's not being run as support and won't get drums, OR its a one sided game OR it's end game.

all situations where drums are not the best choice for a next item.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
August 09 2012 21:01 GMT
#16200
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