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OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
July 27 2012 05:01 GMT
#15301
On July 27 2012 12:46 NB wrote:
TC? he is being remake... stop dreaming. He will came out after techies for sure

i hope icefrog reconsider considering that tc has seen a fair bit of competitive play in d1
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 27 2012 05:07 GMT
#15302
no medusa

;(
WriterXiao8~~
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
July 27 2012 05:14 GMT
#15303
Why remake TC? Getting a good combo with him was so incredibly fun, and it didn't feel completely broken since it's possible to avoid.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
andy186
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1058 Posts
July 27 2012 05:38 GMT
#15304
Just sold my defense courier for $250. May have been a bit of an undersell seeing as they are really rare but im not really in the trading scene so im happy. Personally I didn't even like it that much

Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 05:52:03
July 27 2012 05:50 GMT
#15305
On July 27 2012 11:46 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 11:21 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 27 2012 11:11 Noocta wrote:
No Meepo for the International. T_T

has meepo ever even seen competitive play?

I presume you're new to Dota then, because hell yes. He was first pick/ban material a couple years ago.

I should've been more clear. Has Meepo ever seen competitive play in more recent metas. I know he was a top tier pick years ago, but to my knowledge he's since dropped out of favor.

On July 27 2012 12:46 NB wrote:
TC? he is being remake... stop dreaming. He will came out after techies for sure

I thought Icefrog's intention to remake him was prior to his surge in popularity in the Chinese dota scene. I'm not sure Icefrog will go through with his plans to remake TC unless he shows himself to be completely broken, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
July 27 2012 06:13 GMT
#15306
On July 27 2012 14:38 andy186 wrote:
Just sold my defense courier for $250. May have been a bit of an undersell seeing as they are really rare but im not really in the trading scene so im happy. Personally I didn't even like it that much



dear lord

was it atleast a glowy super saiyan courier?
i wear a kitten scarf
andy186
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1058 Posts
July 27 2012 06:31 GMT
#15307
On July 27 2012 15:13 Imbajoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 14:38 andy186 wrote:
Just sold my defense courier for $250. May have been a bit of an undersell seeing as they are really rare but im not really in the trading scene so im happy. Personally I didn't even like it that much



dear lord

was it atleast a glowy super saiyan courier?


ye had triump of champions (something along those lines) effect 255 255 255 glowing eyes. But they werent overly visible and it really wasn't that good. All the other effects look so much better plus i had a standard war dog anyway
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
July 27 2012 06:50 GMT
#15308
On July 27 2012 10:22 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 10:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:12 tube wrote:
if you're playing an int hero, including rhasta, your first item should always be bloodstone
it gives you the most hp and mana and makes you basically annoying as fuck for the other team cuz if they kill you your team gets healed and shit

best follow up on that is rod of atos for the decent survivability and pretty good int increase + a surprisingly effective slow
nothing else you could want on a caster

except maybe veil, that item is grossly underused, but it should probably be your next item cuz it amplifies all your magic dmg, why dont more people use this sicknasty item

after that i recommend travels for quick gank support

though by that point you've already won so just get battlefury

Can you stop trolling. I thought the warning after spamming "bloodseeker" in multiple threads should have knocked some sense into you.

Rhasta is not primarily about magic damage. Why don't you just a medallion instead.

I got a medallion once on rhasta because my team was going to roshan soon and the other 4 heroes were saving up for carry items, and they started flaming me for doing so.

But then again, I get flamed for half the games I get necrobook on lycan.

---

How do the Chinese play TC? Solo mid? Sort of as an es countergank? The only game TC game I've seen was kuroky, and he was trying to do this weird carry build.
iremnant3847
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan269 Posts
July 27 2012 07:05 GMT
#15309
On July 27 2012 15:50 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 10:22 flamewheel wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:12 tube wrote:
if you're playing an int hero, including rhasta, your first item should always be bloodstone
it gives you the most hp and mana and makes you basically annoying as fuck for the other team cuz if they kill you your team gets healed and shit

best follow up on that is rod of atos for the decent survivability and pretty good int increase + a surprisingly effective slow
nothing else you could want on a caster

except maybe veil, that item is grossly underused, but it should probably be your next item cuz it amplifies all your magic dmg, why dont more people use this sicknasty item

after that i recommend travels for quick gank support

though by that point you've already won so just get battlefury

Can you stop trolling. I thought the warning after spamming "bloodseeker" in multiple threads should have knocked some sense into you.

Rhasta is not primarily about magic damage. Why don't you just a medallion instead.

I got a medallion once on rhasta because my team was going to roshan soon and the other 4 heroes were saving up for carry items, and they started flaming me for doing so.

But then again, I get flamed for half the games I get necrobook on lycan.

---

How do the Chinese play TC? Solo mid? Sort of as an es countergank? The only game TC game I've seen was kuroky, and he was trying to do this weird carry build.

I play Dota often with my Taiwanese friends and their playstyle is very similar to the Chinese (if you think this statement is false, then say so kindly.)
TC is usually picked as a ganker/semi-carry, and is sent to a duo lane to either harass with Ancestral Spirit, or use his Stomp to allow teammates to get in a nice position. Tauren Chieftan will often get a Battle Fury/Orb of Venom/SnY to add to his HP, physical damage, and attack speed.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 07:28:28
July 27 2012 07:14 GMT
#15310
On July 27 2012 15:50 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 10:22 flamewheel wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:12 tube wrote:
if you're playing an int hero, including rhasta, your first item should always be bloodstone
it gives you the most hp and mana and makes you basically annoying as fuck for the other team cuz if they kill you your team gets healed and shit

best follow up on that is rod of atos for the decent survivability and pretty good int increase + a surprisingly effective slow
nothing else you could want on a caster

except maybe veil, that item is grossly underused, but it should probably be your next item cuz it amplifies all your magic dmg, why dont more people use this sicknasty item

after that i recommend travels for quick gank support

though by that point you've already won so just get battlefury

Can you stop trolling. I thought the warning after spamming "bloodseeker" in multiple threads should have knocked some sense into you.

Rhasta is not primarily about magic damage. Why don't you just a medallion instead.

I got a medallion once on rhasta because my team was going to roshan soon and the other 4 heroes were saving up for carry items, and they started flaming me for doing so.

But then again, I get flamed for half the games I get necrobook on lycan.

---

How do the Chinese play TC? Solo mid? Sort of as an es countergank? The only game TC game I've seen was kuroky, and he was trying to do this weird carry build.


Solo mid is the most common, followed by solo on the unsafe lane. Items are like arcane boots + mek with BKB. When TC is picked together with ES, it's pretty deadly for teamfights.

This is a game where they just used TC to stall out for AM's farm:



Another game where LGD was owning with him:



And LGD shows how abusive they can get with AOE:

Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 27 2012 07:17 GMT
#15311
On July 27 2012 16:05 vizi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 15:50 igotmyown wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:22 flamewheel wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:12 tube wrote:
if you're playing an int hero, including rhasta, your first item should always be bloodstone
it gives you the most hp and mana and makes you basically annoying as fuck for the other team cuz if they kill you your team gets healed and shit

best follow up on that is rod of atos for the decent survivability and pretty good int increase + a surprisingly effective slow
nothing else you could want on a caster

except maybe veil, that item is grossly underused, but it should probably be your next item cuz it amplifies all your magic dmg, why dont more people use this sicknasty item

after that i recommend travels for quick gank support

though by that point you've already won so just get battlefury

Can you stop trolling. I thought the warning after spamming "bloodseeker" in multiple threads should have knocked some sense into you.

Rhasta is not primarily about magic damage. Why don't you just a medallion instead.

I got a medallion once on rhasta because my team was going to roshan soon and the other 4 heroes were saving up for carry items, and they started flaming me for doing so.

But then again, I get flamed for half the games I get necrobook on lycan.

---

How do the Chinese play TC? Solo mid? Sort of as an es countergank? The only game TC game I've seen was kuroky, and he was trying to do this weird carry build.

I play Dota often with my Taiwanese friends and their playstyle is very similar to the Chinese (if you think this statement is false, then say so kindly.)
TC is usually picked as a ganker/semi-carry, and is sent to a duo lane to either harass with Ancestral Spirit, or use his Stomp to allow teammates to get in a nice position. Tauren Chieftan will often get a Battle Fury/Orb of Venom/SnY to add to his HP, physical damage, and attack speed.

huh. all the recent games I've seen of Chinese DotA where TC is picked up he's usually put solo mid. TC is a great laner with Ancestral Spirit. They usually build him tanky a support-ish build since he already does tons of damage due to Spirit and his ulti.
iremnant3847
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 07:21:17
July 27 2012 07:19 GMT
#15312
On July 27 2012 16:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 16:05 vizi wrote:
On July 27 2012 15:50 igotmyown wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:22 flamewheel wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:13 Heh_ wrote:
On July 27 2012 10:12 tube wrote:
if you're playing an int hero, including rhasta, your first item should always be bloodstone
it gives you the most hp and mana and makes you basically annoying as fuck for the other team cuz if they kill you your team gets healed and shit

best follow up on that is rod of atos for the decent survivability and pretty good int increase + a surprisingly effective slow
nothing else you could want on a caster

except maybe veil, that item is grossly underused, but it should probably be your next item cuz it amplifies all your magic dmg, why dont more people use this sicknasty item

after that i recommend travels for quick gank support

though by that point you've already won so just get battlefury

Can you stop trolling. I thought the warning after spamming "bloodseeker" in multiple threads should have knocked some sense into you.

Rhasta is not primarily about magic damage. Why don't you just a medallion instead.

I got a medallion once on rhasta because my team was going to roshan soon and the other 4 heroes were saving up for carry items, and they started flaming me for doing so.

But then again, I get flamed for half the games I get necrobook on lycan.

---

How do the Chinese play TC? Solo mid? Sort of as an es countergank? The only game TC game I've seen was kuroky, and he was trying to do this weird carry build.

I play Dota often with my Taiwanese friends and their playstyle is very similar to the Chinese (if you think this statement is false, then say so kindly.)
TC is usually picked as a ganker/semi-carry, and is sent to a duo lane to either harass with Ancestral Spirit, or use his Stomp to allow teammates to get in a nice position. Tauren Chieftan will often get a Battle Fury/Orb of Venom/SnY to add to his HP, physical damage, and attack speed.

huh. all the recent games I've seen of Chinese DotA where TC is picked up he's usually put solo mid. TC is a great laner with Ancestral Spirit. They usually build him tanky a support-ish build since he already does tons of damage due to Spirit and his ulti.

Does he mean in tournaments? If that's the case, then I'm not too sure :S
I thought he was talking about pub games and the general style between normal players.
Sorry about that!
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
July 27 2012 08:17 GMT
#15313
abit late to the party,
my first game of dota was on dota2

I choose BS because he looked cool, went mid because everybody say that's where I should go, give up first blood, ended up 3-18-15 with Tranquil boots, stout shield, Ring of Aquila, Crystalys and Wraith Band.

surprisingly, not a single abuse. Just 1 guy telling me to 'dont get balsy' when Im getting low health.

the next couple of games however ......
Put quote here for readability
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
July 27 2012 08:21 GMT
#15314
Damn. I was hoping Meepo would be out for TI. I have a feeling that some teams could cook up some spectacular things with that hero with the amount of practice and discipline nowadays.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
July 27 2012 08:29 GMT
#15315
On July 27 2012 10:55 Resent wrote:
This is the last batch of heroes prior to The International...boo! But understandable obviously :p


might be, but hopefully they will still work on new heroes.

and then we get 4 released in the first patch after TI2 and 2 the week after!
"Yeah buddy"
StoRm_res
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland891 Posts
July 27 2012 08:40 GMT
#15316
I really dislike the new item icons :/ but I hope they need just some time for getting used to them
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 08:44:55
July 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#15317
Why would you go orb of venom? Does the spirit proc the slow?

Mek/bkb's a pretty weird item combination.

I'm a little surprised they can dedicate a solo mid lane to TC against very dangerous carries like DK, panda, ck, TA. By which I mean they must really think he can do a lot.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 27 2012 08:58 GMT
#15318
On July 27 2012 17:43 igotmyown wrote:
Why would you go orb of venom? Does the spirit proc the slow?

Mek/bkb's a pretty weird item combination.

I'm a little surprised they can dedicate a solo mid lane to TC against very dangerous carries like DK, panda, ck, TA. By which I mean they must really think he can do a lot.

IIRC Chinese teams consider TC to be an incredibly strong pick against DK. DK relies a lot on his survivability lategame in order to get his full usefulness in fights, but TCs aura is incredibly powerful for putting DK in a position where he can't go all-out because he's not quite as tanky as he'd like to be.

As far as laning goes, TC is quite a formidable laner. Particularly in melee matchups, Ancestral Spirit is extremely powerful, both in letting you farm, as well as in harassing and trading with the opposing laner. Ranged matchups can be somewhat less comfortable though.

That said, sidelane TC seems to be a fair bit more common than solo mid recently.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 27 2012 08:58 GMT
#15319
On July 27 2012 17:43 igotmyown wrote:
Why would you go orb of venom? Does the spirit proc the slow?

Mek/bkb's a pretty weird item combination.

I'm a little surprised they can dedicate a solo mid lane to TC against very dangerous carries like DK, panda, ck, TA. By which I mean they must really think he can do a lot.

it's mostly for teamfight. bkb is there just so he can survive and make sure that he can just aura the other team, also spirit gives a lot of bonus damage for not much at all so his right clicks arent exactly doing nothing while the other team is in aura.
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
July 27 2012 09:41 GMT
#15320
On July 27 2012 17:17 sandyph wrote:
abit late to the party,
my first game of dota was on dota2

I choose BS because he looked cool, went mid because everybody say that's where I should go, give up first blood, ended up 3-18-15 with Tranquil boots, stout shield, Ring of Aquila, Crystalys and Wraith Band.

surprisingly, not a single abuse. Just 1 guy telling me to 'dont get balsy' when Im getting low health.

the next couple of games however ......

I hate people like you who can't play at least 2-3 bot games before playing against other people.
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