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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
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paintfive
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On July 25 2012 08:01 Nevuk wrote: I don't think Lycan is going to be nerfed. He already was nerfed forever ago after being mildly buffed (crit damage on wolves and him going to 1.7 from 1.5 and higher ms on wolves, I think, then something (wolf movespeed maybe) got nerfed). He just fits the push style extremely well. KOTL and a few other heroes being introduced who make pushing more difficult are probably going to be needed to determine if he's OP in the full hero pool. feral impulse was nerfed, from global to 900 aoe or so | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 25 2012 08:35 DoNotDisturb wrote: feral impulse was nerfed, from global to 900 aoe or so So that's why my wolves stopped killing people solo | ||
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AndyJay
Australia833 Posts
How are people who haven't played in a long time or changed to HoN finding the new'ish' heroes? I'm loving AA/gyro/wisp/rubick/SD. There really does seem to be a creative element that dota heroes get that S2 heroes are missing. That being said I'm not sure if being pub stomped by Ursa is any less annoying then being pub stomped by RA. I'm curious to see how the other heroes play when they get released - legion commander/shredder/skywraith/ember spirit/slark/tuskar/pheonix are all mostly mysteries to me. Then after that the crazy brand new heroes we're going to see icefrog create in the new engine... should be fun. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
now the question is: to vlad or not to vlad. need to solve minor mana problem in pub where support no mana boots. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:02 NB wrote: jesus... play naga for the first time today after her crit is removed. Her damage early game for last hitting is insanely high and mid game you can clear out jungle faster than an AM with BFury.... HOLY SHIT.... @_@ now the question is: to vlad or not to vlad. need to solve minor mana problem in pub where support no mana boots. Vlads won't help with your mana problems - get mana boots yourself. Fun story about that: my team was hellbent on me getting Treads. I was like "I need the mana", so they were like "we'll give you mana" and we ended the game with 4 Arcane Boots. ^^ | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 25 2012 06:51 SKC wrote: And yet, Radiant has more wins than Dire in Dota 2. Don't you risk destroying that balance by removing probally the biggest Scourge advantage? I think it's something that can be tested, but not necessary for the game. It's the old argument of making things symmetrical or trying to give balanced edges to both sides of the conflict. Right now, it seems like everything is working fine overall, even if we can't really pinpoint why it ends up like that, so I don't think messing it too much with the map should be a priority. I think it's fine that some heroes are better on a certain side of the map, it can make things interesting, but yes, Lycan is just too extreme. He is a very good hero on either side of the map and almost unstopable as Scourge. I don't think it would be an issue if a hero was weak on Sentinel and viable on Scourge, for example. I wasn't aware of this--do you have a source? I expected the map balance to be in favor of Scourge. I also seem to remember that when LGD.Yao was interviewed on ACE DotA, he said that if given the option of which side to play, most Chinese pros would pick Scourge because of how influential the Roshan advantage is. On July 25 2012 06:51 SKC wrote: You said killing 2 birds with one stone, well, to me the balance of a single hero pales in comparison to somethin that is mostly fine and affect the balance of the entire game. It's not something you should never do, you need to make hard decisions to reach great results, but you need to be careful with it. The whole premise of my "kill 2 birds with 1 stone" argument is that Roshan balance issues heavily favor Scourge and are not "mostly fine". On July 25 2012 11:02 NB wrote: jesus... play naga for the first time today after her crit is removed. Her damage early game for last hitting is insanely high and mid game you can clear out jungle faster than an AM with BFury.... HOLY SHIT.... @_@ now the question is: to vlad or not to vlad. need to solve minor mana problem in pub where support no mana boots. Just buy mana boots yourself. It's effectiveness in allowing you to use Illusions+Riptide to farm safely is huge. Particularly as it allows you to solo farm and push extremely safely--you can't rely on teammates to always be there to Arcanes you when you're just ricing one side of the map by yourself. I don't like Vlad's on Naga because Illusions don't benefit from non-Endurance auras. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:22 TheYango wrote: I wasn't aware of this--do you have a source? I expected the map balance to be in favor of Scourge. I also seem to remember that when LGD.Yao was interviewed on ACE DotA, he said that if given the option of which side to play, most Chinese pros would pick Scourge because of how influential the Roshan advantage is. The whole premise of my "kill 2 birds with 1 stone" argument is that Roshan balance issues heavily favor Scourge and are not "mostly fine". Just buy mana boots yourself. It's effectiveness in allowing you to use Illusions+Riptide to farm safely is huge. Particularly as it allows you to solo farm and push extremely safely--you can't rely on teammates to always be there to Arcanes you when you're just ricing one side of the map by yourself. I don't like Vlad's on Naga because Illusions don't benefit from non-Endurance auras. http://dota-academy.com/herolist/ According to it, which side you get is less relevant than getting first pick. It would be nice if we had somthing like that for Dota 1, but I don't believe there is. And it's not something like races in Starcraft, where you can say a side has the better players, it should be completelly random, so a big enough advantage should appear over thousands of games. I do agree that it makes sense that Scourge should be stronger, but until the data supports it, I don't think any change is necessary. Maybe we don't see some advantages Sentinal has as easily, things like letting you choose sides or picking orders are enough to balance it out overall or even 1500 games wasn't enough to show the diference with any reliability, but so far it doesn't seem to need changing. | ||
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whoso
Germany523 Posts
soul ring however works just fine together with vanguard | ||
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iremnant3847
Taiwan269 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:49 whoso wrote: my heart would bleed when i had to get arcanes on naga instead of treads...i cant do it : (. ring of aquila on the other hand is not sufficient, aquila + medallion is somewhat enough. soul ring however works just fine together with vanguard I recommend getting Diffusal Blade. With Ring of Aquila and a Diffusal, you will have little to no mana issues in the mid game. You don't even need mana in the early game. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:52 vizi wrote: I recommend getting Diffusal Blade. With Ring of Aquila and a Diffusal, you will have little to no mana issues in the mid game. You don't even need mana in the early game. Why would you NOT get diffusal blade on her tho? It's a no-brainer on any hero with illusions. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On July 25 2012 12:40 Audemed wrote: Why would you NOT get diffusal blade on her tho? It's a no-brainer on any hero with illusions. ^this even on CK, back when Diffusal was needed for Manta actually, now that I think about it, CK + phantasms will wreck a hero in seconds before it manaburns much, but still... | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On July 25 2012 12:48 DoNotDisturb wrote: ^this even on CK, back when Diffusal was needed for Manta actually, now that I think about it, CK + phantasms will wreck a hero in seconds before it manaburns much, but still... I guess CK would be the exception, as he's the only one with illusions that do 100% damage. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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iremnant3847
Taiwan269 Posts
On July 25 2012 12:40 Audemed wrote: Why would you NOT get diffusal blade on her tho? It's a no-brainer on any hero with illusions. The guy said he gets Vanguard for Slithice, which sort of indicates that he doesn't have a solid build set in stone. I never implied that you shouldn't get Diffusal blade, so I don't see why you're saying such a statement. And the only reason why people got Diffusal for CK was because Manta Style required it in a version of DotA long ago. | ||
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