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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 04:44:47
September 13 2014 04:44 GMT
#129461
lycan is still stupid but hes not the same kind of silliness as void and tinker

On September 13 2014 13:03 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 13 2014 12:15 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Guys remember when everyone complained about mirana/lycan every game instead of void/tinker


what about those of us who still think lycan is bullshit

You've been declared not-actually-people by the UN. Can you PM me your address so I can take you as a legally mandated slave?

But seriously, Lycan is an order of magnitude stronger in organized play than in pubs. He's very strong in pubs, but it's perfectly reasonable to see him not picked. The exact opposite is true of Void and Tinker.


agree
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 13 2014 04:51 GMT
#129462
On September 13 2014 13:03 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 13 2014 12:15 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Guys remember when everyone complained about mirana/lycan every game instead of void/tinker


what about those of us who still think lycan is bullshit

You've been declared not-actually-people by the UN. Can you PM me your address so I can take you as a legally mandated slave?

But seriously, Lycan is an order of magnitude stronger in organized play than in pubs. He's very strong in pubs, but it's perfectly reasonable to see him not picked. The exact opposite is true of Void and Tinker.


I disagree; I find his stupid building-killing power to be much more dangerous in pubs than any Tinker player I've come across. I think there are three reasons he isn't picked more in pubs: the FotM chasers are playing other heroes, lots of people don't like building Necro, and hitting buildings and running away is super fuckin' boring if you can't TP around and get all the farm.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 13 2014 05:04 GMT
#129463
On September 13 2014 13:51 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 13:03 Acritter wrote:
On September 13 2014 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 13 2014 12:15 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Guys remember when everyone complained about mirana/lycan every game instead of void/tinker


what about those of us who still think lycan is bullshit

You've been declared not-actually-people by the UN. Can you PM me your address so I can take you as a legally mandated slave?

But seriously, Lycan is an order of magnitude stronger in organized play than in pubs. He's very strong in pubs, but it's perfectly reasonable to see him not picked. The exact opposite is true of Void and Tinker.


I disagree; I find his stupid building-killing power to be much more dangerous in pubs than any Tinker player I've come across. I think there are three reasons he isn't picked more in pubs: the FotM chasers are playing other heroes, lots of people don't like building Necro, and hitting buildings and running away is super fuckin' boring if you can't TP around and get all the farm.

Number one reason: pub teams are notoriously bad at organizing for a given goal, and that slows down the Lycan push because he doesn't have a team to run interference. Slower push=more time for the pubstomp heroes Tinker and Void to get fed, and those two are pretty great at picking off an errant Lycan.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
September 13 2014 05:07 GMT
#129464
never had an issue with Lycan TBH. People just really hate real lockdown against him for some reason. Granted he's still pretty good, but hardly the auto win that he was with the bonus health with his ult.

Tinker also really screws with him though. Probably an even bigger reason than any that he isn't being picked.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 13 2014 05:15 GMT
#129465
Tinker and Void both make his life miserable. Also, the presence of strong offlane duos make him weaker. It's tough to get off to the start you need in a pub when you're against Razor+1.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
September 13 2014 06:22 GMT
#129466
i think twitch is dead.
© Current year.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 13 2014 06:32 GMT
#129467
Thank god I thought I was the only one for a moment.

Thousands of viewers on dead streams. Wonder what's happening.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
September 13 2014 06:55 GMT
#129468
OMG, Yes. LD + GODZ
trueCOMEHfan [16:21] <Qbek> hey sagamama [16:21] <Qbek> you ain;t targe bad
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 08:57:28
September 13 2014 08:53 GMT
#129469
Idk whether I'd call tinker a pubstomp hero. He's a problem because he's annoying as hell for both teams, not because he's particularly strong.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2606 Posts
September 13 2014 09:16 GMT
#129470
On September 13 2014 17:53 Belisarius wrote:
Idk whether I'd call tinker a pubstomp hero. He's a problem because he's annoying as hell for both teams, not because he's particularly strong.


Iono. He's as much a pubstomp hero as void is. He isn't terribly strong early, but you can't forget about him, or he's going to get up his first few items, show up out of nowhere, and obliterate somebody on your team. In Void's case it's MoM mjollnir and purple balls, but in tinker's its travels dagon eblade. And like void, if the player is crap at the hero this won't happen, but in the hands of the accomplished tinker/void pubstomper, it almost invariably will.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
September 13 2014 09:46 GMT
#129471
On September 13 2014 09:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 08:05 TMG26 wrote:
On September 13 2014 05:18 teddyoojo wrote:
On September 13 2014 04:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
html/css have way more practical applications outside of actually being employed as a programmer

whats more fun to learn
im currently learning java does that change anything
which ones more useful if i someday wanna work something related to informatics



If you are already learning Java, just learn what OOP is, and do go the C# route. Broaden your knowledge with some Html/Css.

C# and Java are used for the same things. If you need to learn C# for a job that you want, you will be able to learn it quickly if you already know some other OOP language like Java.


SQL probably has the highest usefulness/effort ratio to learn for anybody whose not a programer
That and python for scripting I guess



Dunno about that. If you are not a programmer, will you really care that much about databases?

Isn't it better to know website building stuff like Html/Css and some Javascrit/jQuery than some SQL?

Lot's of things have a web API now, so you just need to handle the JSON/XML.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 13 2014 10:49 GMT
#129472
dis new DK roster :D
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11932 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 11:01:34
September 13 2014 10:56 GMT
#129473
On September 13 2014 18:46 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 09:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
On September 13 2014 08:05 TMG26 wrote:
On September 13 2014 05:18 teddyoojo wrote:
On September 13 2014 04:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
html/css have way more practical applications outside of actually being employed as a programmer

whats more fun to learn
im currently learning java does that change anything
which ones more useful if i someday wanna work something related to informatics



If you are already learning Java, just learn what OOP is, and do go the C# route. Broaden your knowledge with some Html/Css.

C# and Java are used for the same things. If you need to learn C# for a job that you want, you will be able to learn it quickly if you already know some other OOP language like Java.


SQL probably has the highest usefulness/effort ratio to learn for anybody whose not a programer
That and python for scripting I guess



Dunno about that. If you are not a programmer, will you really care that much about databases?

Isn't it better to know website building stuff like Html/Css and some Javascrit/jQuery than some SQL?

Lot's of things have a web API now, so you just need to handle the JSON/XML.


I am not a programmer, I work in logistics. The languages I have use of are (oracle) SQL and VBA for the Office programs. This is since I need to get/transform data that isn't available through the normal methods and instead have to get it from the tables themselves. Will probably change in the future but it is my current reality.

An example. I am among other things responsible for the flow of some packaging material. There is no user interface built for doing a daily inventory of just those. So I pull the data that is entered each day from the tables, display and log them in excel. Then I have long term graphs to be able to see usage trends. Nobody will build an interface that does this for me, there are too few users, costs are too high. Takes like 5h to build for myself instead of getting IT involved.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
September 13 2014 11:33 GMT
#129474
On September 13 2014 18:46 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 09:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
On September 13 2014 08:05 TMG26 wrote:
On September 13 2014 05:18 teddyoojo wrote:
On September 13 2014 04:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
html/css have way more practical applications outside of actually being employed as a programmer

whats more fun to learn
im currently learning java does that change anything
which ones more useful if i someday wanna work something related to informatics



If you are already learning Java, just learn what OOP is, and do go the C# route. Broaden your knowledge with some Html/Css.

C# and Java are used for the same things. If you need to learn C# for a job that you want, you will be able to learn it quickly if you already know some other OOP language like Java.


SQL probably has the highest usefulness/effort ratio to learn for anybody whose not a programer
That and python for scripting I guess



Dunno about that. If you are not a programmer, will you really care that much about databases?

Isn't it better to know website building stuff like Html/Css and some Javascrit/jQuery than some SQL?

Lot's of things have a web API now, so you just need to handle the JSON/XML.

databases is incredibly important, and a lot of high paying jobs are simply there to ensure that the database runs quickly and smoothly. web development has jobs yes, but i think its pretty safe to say that they have a lower salary on average. even some business people learn simple SQL
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 13 2014 11:35 GMT
#129475
so i should go with the C# course and try to get familiar with SQL eventually?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 11:56:08
September 13 2014 11:55 GMT
#129476
On September 13 2014 14:04 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2014 13:51 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 13 2014 13:03 Acritter wrote:
On September 13 2014 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On September 13 2014 12:15 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Guys remember when everyone complained about mirana/lycan every game instead of void/tinker


what about those of us who still think lycan is bullshit

You've been declared not-actually-people by the UN. Can you PM me your address so I can take you as a legally mandated slave?

But seriously, Lycan is an order of magnitude stronger in organized play than in pubs. He's very strong in pubs, but it's perfectly reasonable to see him not picked. The exact opposite is true of Void and Tinker.


I disagree; I find his stupid building-killing power to be much more dangerous in pubs than any Tinker player I've come across. I think there are three reasons he isn't picked more in pubs: the FotM chasers are playing other heroes, lots of people don't like building Necro, and hitting buildings and running away is super fuckin' boring if you can't TP around and get all the farm.

Number one reason: pub teams are notoriously bad at organizing for a given goal, and that slows down the Lycan push because he doesn't have a team to run interference. Slower push=more time for the pubstomp heroes Tinker and Void to get fed, and those two are pretty great at picking off an errant Lycan.


Pub teams are also notoriously bad at organizing to defend any given goal. Void and Tinker are good against Prophet, and I'm not sesing any lack of that particular hero in my games.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 13 2014 12:58 GMT
#129477
Deep satisfaction of winning against a fed void. I demand x4 mmr for that game.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 13:13:04
September 13 2014 13:10 GMT
#129478
anyone watching big daddy stream? literally worse than trench. His morph and drow farming woods ALL GAME, even after 6 slotted. Then morph goes solo rosh, denies aegis and sells cheese.

Lol. BD + kunka 6k, rubick 5.5 . Drow and morph TBD. +5.
JD.
Profile Joined September 2014
Australia250 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 13:59:58
September 13 2014 13:19 GMT
#129479
On September 13 2014 22:10 misirlou wrote:
anyone watching big daddy stream? literally worse than trench. His morph and drow farming woods ALL GAME, even after 6 slotted. Then morph goes solo rosh, denies aegis and sells cheese.

Lol. BD + kunka 6k, rubick 5.5 . Drow and morph TBD. +5.


he vs Alurr & h4nni now
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
September 13 2014 13:27 GMT
#129480
On September 13 2014 22:10 misirlou wrote:
anyone watching big daddy stream? literally worse than trench..

Yeah there is definitely no difference between 5k+ and trench.
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