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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 17:14:08
August 26 2014 17:13 GMT
#125481
You might be bummed out when it doesn't come, because this is Valve and they delay stuff like no one else.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 26 2014 17:14 GMT
#125482
this see me play stuff omg
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 17:16:59
August 26 2014 17:15 GMT
#125483
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. But this is what happens when you affiliate with something that turns out to suck.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 26 2014 17:16 GMT
#125484
On August 27 2014 02:10 Adrian_mx wrote:
Patch comes out today boys ! Im getting ready


most likely there will be a test client patch before the real deal.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 26 2014 17:17 GMT
#125485
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. .But this is what happens when you affiliate with something.


it is their fault for accepting to stream on a new untested streaming platform.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 26 2014 17:17 GMT
#125486
Isn't the actual patch supposed to be like Thursday/Friday, with Test today?
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 26 2014 17:18 GMT
#125487
I hope so, because I'm not ready to queue exclusively unranked RD/AR/SD/LH yet.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 26 2014 17:19 GMT
#125488
On August 27 2014 02:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. .But this is what happens when you affiliate with something.


it is their fault for accepting to stream on a new untested streaming platform.

What, you're saying they should've have preemptively predicted the shitty stream and said 'no, we won't cast some of the most talked about teams recently'?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 17:20:05
August 26 2014 17:19 GMT
#125489
On August 27 2014 02:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. .But this is what happens when you affiliate with something.


it is their fault for accepting to stream on a new untested streaming platform.

?
smp.ru: Hey JD cast our tournament. Prize pool 15,000, we'll pay you $1,000 for casting literally like 3 bo3s
JD: sure dude i love money
smp.ru: PS you have to stream on our site
JD: well we've done that before. Mostly, we like money. Deal.

Hows that unreasonable for JD to do?
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2014 17:20 GMT
#125490
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. But this is what happens when you affiliate with something that turns out to suck.

Tobi already said he doesn't pick who to partner with and will get a VOD up asap. I am pretty sure they are going to avoid using the service in the future.

People want alternatives to Twitch, but then don't realize that they mostly suck and can't handle the volume.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 26 2014 17:23 GMT
#125491
It's not. But it's also not unreasonable to blame the production company when there are problems with a broadcast. jD's position seems to be that they had no way of knowing there would be any problems, and are totally blameless. Most of Twitter's position seems to be that jD are entirely at fault for everything. Both are wrong but the people witch-hunting jD and Tobi are more wrong.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 26 2014 17:25 GMT
#125492
On August 27 2014 02:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. .But this is what happens when you affiliate with something.


it is their fault for accepting to stream on a new untested streaming platform.

?
smp.ru: Hey JD cast our tournament. Prize pool 15,000, we'll pay you $1,000 for casting literally like 3 bo3s
JD: sure dude i love money
smp.ru: PS you have to stream on our site
JD: well we've done that before. Mostly, we like money. Deal.

Hows that unreasonable for JD to do?


i tend to forget that reputation, reliability and quality are worth nothing on the internet.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2014 17:25 GMT
#125493
On August 27 2014 02:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. .But this is what happens when you affiliate with something.


it is their fault for accepting to stream on a new untested streaming platform.

What, you're saying they should've have preemptively predicted the shitty stream and said 'no, we won't cast some of the most talked about teams recently'?

This is the internet, were we blame people who literally have zero control over things because they have a public facing twitter handle. Welcome, its a blast here!
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 26 2014 17:26 GMT
#125494
Warlock's DoT is ass and Fatal bonds shines much more in the mid-late game. Upheaval is a slow and slows are more powerful early game. If the enemy doesn't have an escape mechanism, there's nothing they can do.

DoT deals 124/206/289/371 damage with base resistance over 11 seconds. That's pretty terrible dps especially taking into account potential regen over that time and it scales terribly. The heal is decent for a drawn out skirmish, which can be controlled via Upheaval. Fatal bonds is not good early game. Upheaval sticks for 3 seconds so you can actually use it properly then.

You need Upheaval for your other 2 skills and ultimate to be most effective so maxing it first seems right. To get the max slow it takes 12/6/4/3 seconds, so maxing it first isn't the most efficient. Leaving it at level 3 should be best since 4 seconds is a good time to stop channeling and use other spells while 6 seconds is too long. I'd probably go 0/2/3 at level 5, another point in the DoT or bonds at 7, then max fatal bonds. The timing for everything just seems right with that.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 17:28:11
August 26 2014 17:27 GMT
#125495
On August 27 2014 02:25 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 27 2014 02:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. .But this is what happens when you affiliate with something.


it is their fault for accepting to stream on a new untested streaming platform.

?
smp.ru: Hey JD cast our tournament. Prize pool 15,000, we'll pay you $1,000 for casting literally like 3 bo3s
JD: sure dude i love money
smp.ru: PS you have to stream on our site
JD: well we've done that before. Mostly, we like money. Deal.

Hows that unreasonable for JD to do?


i tend to forget that reputation, reliability and quality are worth nothing on the internet.

You seem to forget that people have a limited ability to predict the future too. I work with shitty clients all the time and you roll with it. But they don't tell you they are shitty up front. You get to find that out first hand and then figure out what to do next. JD got a shitty client and they likely won't work with them again.

And thus the cycle continues.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 26 2014 17:27 GMT
#125496
I mean it's JD and tobi.

Calling them "Short sighted" is like calling Antarctica chilly.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 26 2014 17:27 GMT
#125497
On August 27 2014 02:20 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Cue all the jD boys taking to Twitter to cry: "It's not our fault!"

And it isn't. But this is what happens when you affiliate with something that turns out to suck.

Tobi already said he doesn't pick who to partner with and will get a VOD up asap. I am pretty sure they are going to avoid using the service in the future.

People want alternatives to Twitch, but then don't realize that they mostly suck and can't handle the volume.


I'm not gonna lie, I don't believe Tobi when he says he doesn't pick who to partner with. Someone clearly does. It's not like there's some mysterious arrangement of the stars that leads to jD casting an event. On the other hand, this tournament is entirely sponsored by SMP, so the show must go on problems or not.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 26 2014 17:28 GMT
#125498
On August 27 2014 02:26 Kishin2 wrote:
Warlock's DoT is ass

u literally started out with "495 dmg nuke or heal is ass" lol
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 26 2014 17:30 GMT
#125499
Put yourself in jD's position prior to today.

Reasons to accept the casting job:
- They are paid money to cast
- TT and Na`Vi's new team are involved, both highly talked about teams right now
- SeeMePlay's service probably won't be as good as Twitch, but it should be fine

Reasons to decline the casting job:
- Unknown streaming company could be so bad that it hurts jD's reputation

What would you have chosen?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2014 17:30 GMT
#125500
On August 27 2014 02:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 02:26 Kishin2 wrote:
Warlock's DoT is ass

u literally started out with "495 dmg nuke or heal is ass" lol

People tend to forget about the heal part. And the reasonable mana cost for warlock's mana pool and its reasonable cool down. Beyond that though, its totally shit.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
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