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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 26 2014 13:59 GMT
#125441
To be perfectly honest, max Upheaval Warlock seems crazy strong if you have a team that can somewhat support it. The critical piece of the puzzle is your teammates. You need to have heroes that can really benefit from the honestly crazy zone control that the spell provides. Sniper comes to mind, for example, as does Lifestealer. Enigma has some potential too, but I personally wouldn't pick him because it gives your team zero early game. Hell, Dark Seer seems like he'd be amazing, with his Vac+Wall just doing obscene amounts of damage, and same with Disruptor. I wouldn't pick Warlock out of the blue, or with heroes like Void and Bloodseeker, but in the right lineup I can see him being crazy strong.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 26 2014 14:01 GMT
#125442
On August 26 2014 22:53 spacer wrote:
Man getting to 0 mmr takes so long, I give up


Just dont play ranked, let everyone assume you're 0
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 26 2014 14:08 GMT
#125443
So i'm currently in a game with 0 lvl justapoxe for lvl 11 pl and lvl 0 wall for lvl 33 ds.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44275 Posts
August 26 2014 14:09 GMT
#125444
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot
this is a quote
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 26 2014 14:12 GMT
#125445
On August 26 2014 23:08 babysimba wrote:
So i'm currently in a game with 0 lvl justapoxe for lvl 11 pl and lvl 0 wall for lvl 33 ds.


its fine to take stats over juxtapose.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
August 26 2014 14:29 GMT
#125446
On August 26 2014 23:09 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot


Don't want to ruin the hype but probably that is the sum which Newbee paid to LGD for transfer.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 26 2014 14:34 GMT
#125447
On August 26 2014 23:08 babysimba wrote:
So i'm currently in a game with 0 lvl justapoxe for lvl 11 pl and lvl 0 wall for lvl 33 ds.

hows ds level 33?
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 26 2014 14:36 GMT
#125448
On August 26 2014 23:12 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:08 babysimba wrote:
So i'm currently in a game with 0 lvl justapoxe for lvl 11 pl and lvl 0 wall for lvl 33 ds.


its fine to take stats over juxtapose.

not really at lvl11
u atleast want 1 lvl in it
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 26 2014 14:47 GMT
#125449
On August 26 2014 23:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:08 babysimba wrote:
So i'm currently in a game with 0 lvl justapoxe for lvl 11 pl and lvl 0 wall for lvl 33 ds.

hows ds level 33?

pure skill
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lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 15:06:54
August 26 2014 14:49 GMT
#125450
On August 26 2014 23:09 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot


From http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/458920-xtt-interview-translated-from-178com
"Currently there are five top-tier teams in China, with players in these teams earning around 500,000 yuan annually, a couple even twice that." Xuntao currently belongs to a top-eight team, HGT. Having played pro for two years, Xuntao reveals his salary is now about 200,000 yuan.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 26 2014 14:50 GMT
#125451
On August 26 2014 23:49 lprk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:09 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot



Show nested quote +
"Currently there are five top-tier teams in China, with players in these teams earning around 500,000 yuan annually, a couple even twice that." Xuntao currently belongs to a top-eight team, HGT. Having played pro for two years, Xuntao reveals his salary is now about 200,000 yuan.

wow 500k yuan is 50 grand a year
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 14:53:04
August 26 2014 14:52 GMT
#125452
esports is payment is legit in china

i thought that case was only in korea with sc

On August 26 2014 23:29 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:09 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot


Don't want to ruin the hype but probably that is the sum which Newbee paid to LGD for transfer.


Ah damn
this is a quote
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2014 14:56 GMT
#125453
On August 26 2014 23:50 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:49 lprk wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:09 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot



"Currently there are five top-tier teams in China, with players in these teams earning around 500,000 yuan annually, a couple even twice that." Xuntao currently belongs to a top-eight team, HGT. Having played pro for two years, Xuntao reveals his salary is now about 200,000 yuan.

wow 500k yuan is 50 grand a year

50K is very passable for a high level player as long as he does't have to cover travel or anything like that. I like this system better than the Korea system of paying everyone nothing until they make it big.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 15:10:24
August 26 2014 15:08 GMT
#125454
On August 26 2014 22:59 Acritter wrote:
To be perfectly honest, max Upheaval Warlock seems crazy strong if you have a team that can somewhat support it. The critical piece of the puzzle is your teammates. You need to have heroes that can really benefit from the honestly crazy zone control that the spell provides. Sniper comes to mind, for example, as does Lifestealer. Enigma has some potential too, but I personally wouldn't pick him because it gives your team zero early game. Hell, Dark Seer seems like he'd be amazing, with his Vac+Wall just doing obscene amounts of damage, and same with Disruptor. I wouldn't pick Warlock out of the blue, or with heroes like Void and Bloodseeker, but in the right lineup I can see him being crazy strong.

The thing is, because of the way Upheaval works as a spell (slow % is dependent on channel time, not on time in the AoE), you don't need to max it out that fast. At low levels, almost all heroes are going to have only 300-350 MS, so they will reach minimum MS at ~65-70% slow. After the initial buildup, the spell's slow % stays the same for the rest of the duration. While going from rank 1 to rank 2, this changes the time needed for the slow to reach minimum MS from 10s to 5, going from rank 2-3 the difference is only 5s to 4s.

I think Upheaval is a fantastic skill, but the incremental gain of the 3rd and 4th ranks isn't that high until there are heroes with higher MS in the game.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 26 2014 15:16 GMT
#125455
On August 27 2014 00:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:59 Acritter wrote:
To be perfectly honest, max Upheaval Warlock seems crazy strong if you have a team that can somewhat support it. The critical piece of the puzzle is your teammates. You need to have heroes that can really benefit from the honestly crazy zone control that the spell provides. Sniper comes to mind, for example, as does Lifestealer. Enigma has some potential too, but I personally wouldn't pick him because it gives your team zero early game. Hell, Dark Seer seems like he'd be amazing, with his Vac+Wall just doing obscene amounts of damage, and same with Disruptor. I wouldn't pick Warlock out of the blue, or with heroes like Void and Bloodseeker, but in the right lineup I can see him being crazy strong.

The thing is, because of the way Upheaval works as a spell (slow % is dependent on channel time, not on time in the AoE), you don't need to max it out that fast. At low levels, almost all heroes are going to have only 300-350 MS, so they will reach minimum MS at ~65-70% slow. After the initial buildup, the spell's slow % stays the same for the rest of the duration. While going from rank 1 to rank 2, this changes the time needed for the slow to reach minimum MS from 10s to 5, going from rank 2-3 the difference is only 5s to 4s.

I think Upheaval is a fantastic skill, but the incremental gain of the 3rd and 4th ranks isn't that high until there are heroes with higher MS in the game.

If you're playing as a support role, then you're not getting to level 7 before the other team has finished Phase Boots and Drums.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 15:23:47
August 26 2014 15:23 GMT
#125456
On August 27 2014 00:16 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 00:08 TheYango wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:59 Acritter wrote:
To be perfectly honest, max Upheaval Warlock seems crazy strong if you have a team that can somewhat support it. The critical piece of the puzzle is your teammates. You need to have heroes that can really benefit from the honestly crazy zone control that the spell provides. Sniper comes to mind, for example, as does Lifestealer. Enigma has some potential too, but I personally wouldn't pick him because it gives your team zero early game. Hell, Dark Seer seems like he'd be amazing, with his Vac+Wall just doing obscene amounts of damage, and same with Disruptor. I wouldn't pick Warlock out of the blue, or with heroes like Void and Bloodseeker, but in the right lineup I can see him being crazy strong.

The thing is, because of the way Upheaval works as a spell (slow % is dependent on channel time, not on time in the AoE), you don't need to max it out that fast. At low levels, almost all heroes are going to have only 300-350 MS, so they will reach minimum MS at ~65-70% slow. After the initial buildup, the spell's slow % stays the same for the rest of the duration. While going from rank 1 to rank 2, this changes the time needed for the slow to reach minimum MS from 10s to 5, going from rank 2-3 the difference is only 5s to 4s.

I think Upheaval is a fantastic skill, but the incremental gain of the 3rd and 4th ranks isn't that high until there are heroes with higher MS in the game.

If you're playing as a support role, then you're not getting to level 7 before the other team has finished Phase Boots and Drums.

Wait, the other team has supports too, so someone has brown boots over there too. And if you get off a couple seconds of channel, it will still slow them down enough. Orb of venom only has a 12% slow, which level 1 upheaval gets after 1 second of channeling. The carry is going to care, even with phase boosts and drums.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 26 2014 15:27 GMT
#125457
implying the other team has no stuns and just sits there doing nothing.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 26 2014 15:30 GMT
#125458
upheavel is a very good spell but ever since they made warlock dot the best spell in dota its stupid to not go that
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 15:34:47
August 26 2014 15:31 GMT
#125459
On August 26 2014 23:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 23:50 Targe wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:49 lprk wrote:
On August 26 2014 23:09 goody153 wrote:
On August 26 2014 22:05 TyrionSC2 wrote:
728 pages till next CM tip!

HYPE !

and wow rabbit for $130K .. how much are other chinese players paid ? 130k seems a lot



"Currently there are five top-tier teams in China, with players in these teams earning around 500,000 yuan annually, a couple even twice that." Xuntao currently belongs to a top-eight team, HGT. Having played pro for two years, Xuntao reveals his salary is now about 200,000 yuan.

wow 500k yuan is 50 grand a year

50K is very passable for a high level player as long as he does't have to cover travel or anything like that. I like this system better than the Korea system of paying everyone nothing until they make it big.

he's using GBP, it's ~$82,000 USD which is pretty damn nice for playing video games in China. I think the average Chinese salary is like $4,000 USD a year. Though not sure how meaningful that 'average' is in China where the income gap is wider than Michael Strahans teeth.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 15:33:20
August 26 2014 15:32 GMT
#125460
Once I am channeling upheaval, I have dumped all my spells as warlock and I won't be able to cast them against until the full channel ends, if not beyond that. If they want to blow a stun on me just to stop, upheaval, great. Also its has the range of a full blink dagger.

Also, we can assume both sides have teams doing stuff.
On August 27 2014 00:30 teddyoojo wrote:
upheavel is a very good spell but ever since they made warlock dot the best spell in dota its stupid to not go that

I don't think anyone is arguing getting it over maxing the Dot.
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