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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 09 2014 13:17 GMT
#122141
RIP boots first tree roam
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 09 2014 13:18 GMT
#122142
On August 09 2014 22:17 Acritter wrote:
RIP boots first tree roam

You just have to get minute zero haste rune. It's easy if you're good.
super gg
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 13:35:11
August 09 2014 13:26 GMT
#122143
On August 09 2014 22:02 lprk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 21:43 ScarPe wrote:
so mid shaker also has the same levels as (roaming) support shaker?
really?
you underestimate how devastating a core shaker with solo exp can be mate. by a lot.

its actually one of the biggest things for shaker that he can evade ganks pretty good with his fissure.
good positioning + wards and one fissure is enough to stop ganks very often.

You have more damage ofc, but I gladly take for example mek advantage from gold difference from lost midlane.


so you get your mek first. which means you pretty much have go on the lanes now and fight, so i have a nice time getting my dagger up.
otherwise your 2k gold lead (which is calculated WAY TO HIGH btw) is useless and the ganking mid won already.
as soon as you pressure the a tower, shaker can rotate and defend the tower with one of the strongest defensive skillsets in the game.

if the other mid ganks you have exactly 2 options.
1) you push the tower
2) you countergank.

just farming gets you way behind.
this is btw also the reason why a hero like dragon knight is a fearsome mid. he dosent win the lane, he isnt a good ganker, but as soon as you leave the lane, he takes the tower and from there on, every time he has his ultimate up he will do this.

how many times i had players in mid that dominated the other hero, pudge e.g. but dont understand that they have to punish the roaming mid for leaving the lane. so even if pudge died 2 times early on, he can still win the game, because he didnt get punished for his actions around the map.
THIS is the really important part of the story. i dont care about 2k gold deficite in mid, when my roaming completely sets the tempo of the game.

Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 13:27:47
August 09 2014 13:27 GMT
#122144
missklick post
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
August 09 2014 13:48 GMT
#122145
it's getting really really long and still nothing !

OMG i see no important confirmations about disbands reshuffling or anything on top tier teams !!

I AM GETTING DESPERATE HERE
this is a quote
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
August 09 2014 13:52 GMT
#122146
I've seen quite a few mid ES recently and I'm yet to see him doing more than what would support do in game after losing lane hard to Viper or Razor
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 09 2014 13:56 GMT
#122147
On August 09 2014 22:48 goody153 wrote:
it's getting really really long and still nothing !

OMG i see no important confirmations about disbands reshuffling or anything on top tier teams !!

I AM GETTING DESPERATE HERE

I know, right!? It's getting boring. =/ What also sucks is that when someone leaves a roster it's always: "it was a mutual agreement between all parties involved, we're leaving on good terms, good luck to player X in the future." or some other boring-ass generic garbage statement. That is sooo boring. I want the press releases to be honest, it would be much more fun if it said "we kicked him, because he sucked and didn't want to practice!" Or the player saying "I left because the captain is a piece of shit and I don't want to see him ever again!"
super gg
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
August 09 2014 14:04 GMT
#122148
On August 09 2014 22:56 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 22:48 goody153 wrote:
it's getting really really long and still nothing !

OMG i see no important confirmations about disbands reshuffling or anything on top tier teams !!

I AM GETTING DESPERATE HERE

I know, right!? It's getting boring. =/ What also sucks is that when someone leaves a roster it's always: "it was a mutual agreement between all parties involved, we're leaving on good terms, good luck to player X in the future." or some other boring-ass generic garbage statement. That is sooo boring. I want the press releases to be honest, it would be much more fun if it said "we kicked him, because he sucked and didn't want to practice!" Or the player saying "I left because the captain is a piece of shit and I don't want to see him ever again!"

Mason is actually somehow fulfilling the bolded part with his rants on NADOTA.

but yeah !! i think i'll be ok with any CONFIRMED news actually just anything .. please
this is a quote
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
August 09 2014 14:17 GMT
#122149
On August 09 2014 22:56 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 22:48 goody153 wrote:
it's getting really really long and still nothing !

OMG i see no important confirmations about disbands reshuffling or anything on top tier teams !!

I AM GETTING DESPERATE HERE

I know, right!? It's getting boring. =/ What also sucks is that when someone leaves a roster it's always: "it was a mutual agreement between all parties involved, we're leaving on good terms, good luck to player X in the future." or some other boring-ass generic garbage statement. That is sooo boring. I want the press releases to be honest, it would be much more fun if it said "we kicked him, because he sucked and didn't want to practice!" Or the player saying "I left because the captain is a piece of shit and I don't want to see him ever again!"

Thats what CIS Dota has been in the past. And now look, every singe CIS roster with some veterans in it is written off by the english community immediately. Just because of past statements like these and their "big egos".
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
August 09 2014 14:32 GMT
#122150
On August 09 2014 22:52 lprk wrote:
I've seen quite a few mid ES recently and I'm yet to see him doing more than what would support do in game after losing lane hard to Viper or Razor


it is pointless to discuss with you, as you bring examples of mid matchups that can not be won by shaker.
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
August 09 2014 14:45 GMT
#122151
On August 09 2014 23:32 ScarPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 22:52 lprk wrote:
I've seen quite a few mid ES recently and I'm yet to see him doing more than what would support do in game after losing lane hard to Viper or Razor


it is pointless to discuss with you, as you bring examples of mid matchups that can not be won by shaker.

The discusiion was about ES vs very good laners, I agree that most matchups are decent enough for him to do well.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
August 09 2014 15:06 GMT
#122152
On August 09 2014 23:45 lprk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 23:32 ScarPe wrote:
On August 09 2014 22:52 lprk wrote:
I've seen quite a few mid ES recently and I'm yet to see him doing more than what would support do in game after losing lane hard to Viper or Razor


it is pointless to discuss with you, as you bring examples of mid matchups that can not be won by shaker.

The discusiion was about ES vs very good laners, I agree that most matchups are decent enough for him to do well.


No one really wins against viper and razor - you just go even.
High Risk Low Reward
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2014 15:08 GMT
#122153
We need to go full drama and just get it over with.

"I left because the scum bag captain slept with my girlfriend and knocked her up."

There is nothing more main stream than reality TV style drama.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 09 2014 15:09 GMT
#122154
On August 09 2014 20:14 ScarPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 19:57 Erasme wrote:
too bad shaker get fucked so hard by so many mid


so whats that statement???
there are a lot of mid heros that get stomped there, but win by achieving important things on the map.
pudge e.g. is one of them.

armlet on shaker is not a good idea though.
you need that blinkdagger asap. and armelt dosent give you anything you want.
yes ikts more dmg with the totem, but if you think about it, you have the level advantage from the mid lane
so you combo does already a lot of dmg, why would you delay your blinkdagger for that?

it is not your job to onehit someone. its your job do burst some1.
and for the shaker, he can bursat the whole team.

you can compare it to void.
people who play faceless void often think that they have to kill 3 people inside the chrono. thats just not true.
you need a good chrono where your allies can hit the enemys too. thats the real scary thing.
if your faceless void carry is able to kill 3 people inside the chrono, this game is over for 30 min anyways

the statement is that you'll get a blink later than if you were pulling/stacking/ganking so its beyond useless. It's just a freewin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
August 09 2014 15:09 GMT
#122155
Dreadz just went 0 4 4 0 stats on ld with two bashers...
Everything works. O.o
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 09 2014 15:14 GMT
#122156
everything works against worse players than yourself yes, but against an equal/better opponent you're just asking for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 09 2014 15:21 GMT
#122157
On August 10 2014 00:06 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 23:45 lprk wrote:
On August 09 2014 23:32 ScarPe wrote:
On August 09 2014 22:52 lprk wrote:
I've seen quite a few mid ES recently and I'm yet to see him doing more than what would support do in game after losing lane hard to Viper or Razor


it is pointless to discuss with you, as you bring examples of mid matchups that can not be won by shaker.

The discusiion was about ES vs very good laners, I agree that most matchups are decent enough for him to do well.


No one really wins against viper and razor - you just go even.

Not even Viper and Razor win. Nobody wins with those two heroes. Everyone loses.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 16:26:31
August 09 2014 16:24 GMT
#122158
On August 10 2014 00:08 Plansix wrote:
We need to go full drama and just get it over with.

"I left because the scum bag captain slept with my girlfriend and knocked her up."

There is nothing more main stream than reality TV style drama.


"I kicked him out of the team because he slept with my girlfriend" sounds familiar. Now we know whats missing in dota to become the master esport.
Might have been "He kicked me out of the team so I slept with his girlfriend" cba remembering 4yo drama
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
August 09 2014 16:29 GMT
#122159
On August 10 2014 00:08 Plansix wrote:
We need to go full drama and just get it over with.

"I left because the scum bag captain slept with my girlfriend and knocked her up."

There is nothing more main stream than reality TV style drama.


thats only necessary when your game sucks like certain superior mobas and dying rts games.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
August 09 2014 16:41 GMT
#122160
On August 10 2014 01:29 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 00:08 Plansix wrote:
We need to go full drama and just get it over with.

"I left because the scum bag captain slept with my girlfriend and knocked her up."

There is nothing more main stream than reality TV style drama.


thats only necessary when your game sucks like certain superior mobas and dying rts games.

We had gf drama already God stealing girlfriend from NS and Hao sleeping with Mu's one.
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