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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 09 2014 03:00 GMT
#122081
In low-middling skill level games, having a farming jungler is really not a detriment in the slightest. Let's be frank. At those levels, you're not going to get much out of a trilane at all. Players simply lack the coordination. Offlane solo can still work with a more dedicated offlaner, though, and so adding another farming core (however weak!) just tends to improve the team. Hell, based on how well some people last hit, a jungler like that can even farm harder than a laned core with a bit of practice. Some of you are above the line where your team can be expected to shut down any dumb jungler, and some of you are below. I've played in both kinds of games, thanks to the wonders of party matchmaking. It's not automatically a good or a bad thing. It all depends on the context in which it's played.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 03:28:09
August 09 2014 03:19 GMT
#122082
I feel like it's still a risk even in low bracket games. They're more often 2-1-2 rather than 1-1-3, and that means there's immediately more pressure on the jungler's carry than the enemy one.

In fact, if they have a strong offlane duo that crushes your carry while their safelane freefarms 2v1, the game can go really badly really quickly without them ever setting foot in your jungle. It just feels too much like a "well I hope none of these things happen or we're boned" option, no matter the skill level.

Except jungle lycan. He's always appropriate because screw that hero.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
August 09 2014 03:24 GMT
#122083
had this furion go naked deso then straight to rosh lol (~10 -12 min), my first instinct was o god hes fkn trash but turned out he was decent (maybe just trying something new). this is around 5k mmr
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 09 2014 03:37 GMT
#122084
On August 09 2014 12:19 Belisarius wrote:
I feel like it's still a risk even in low bracket games. They're more often 2-1-2 rather than 1-1-3, and that means there's immediately more pressure on the jungler's carry than the enemy one.

In fact, if they have a strong offlane duo that crushes your carry while their safelane freefarms 2v1, the game can go really badly really quickly without them ever setting foot in your jungle. It just feels too much like a "well I hope none of these things happen or we're boned" option, no matter the skill level.

Except jungle lycan. He's always appropriate because screw that hero.

And a trilane won't particularly help with that, because players lack the coordination to be able to kill the 2 from level 1 onwards and the experience deficit will get really painful really quickly. The formula of "strong pair of heroes" is simply strong in that format regardless of whether or not there's a jungler.

It's honestly just as easy for the offlaner to be playing a hero that can go kind of crazy with just a bit of space afforded, like Timbersaw and Weaver, and end up winning the lane 1v2 thanks to the bonus experience. Lord knows I've managed it.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 09 2014 03:40 GMT
#122085
On August 09 2014 12:24 run.at.me wrote:
had this furion go naked deso then straight to rosh lol (~10 -12 min), my first instinct was o god hes fkn trash but turned out he was decent (maybe just trying something new). this is around 5k mmr

Did that rosh took 10 years? Also if i recall correctly, the tree summon spell could be heard through fog isnt it?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 09 2014 03:53 GMT
#122086
dedicated solo offlaners are op as shit at shitty brackets
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 04:42:04
August 09 2014 04:41 GMT
#122087
Every game that I've played recently where there was a jungler on my team ended in a one sided stomp against us because the enemy carry AND offlane got insanely fat.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
August 09 2014 04:44 GMT
#122088
Lina's legit as fuck. Ten bajillion attack range and an arsenal of nukes is fucking awesome.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 09 2014 04:52 GMT
#122089
more like that sustained max attack speed
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 09 2014 04:52 GMT
#122090
phase drums lina is so fuckin annoying
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 05:02:17
August 09 2014 04:57 GMT
#122091
Waitwait, are you talking 4-1-4 then?

I rock arcanes 4-4-1 and put a fairly high priority on force and euls. Am I doin' it wrong?
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
August 09 2014 05:05 GMT
#122092
On August 09 2014 12:53 Targe wrote:
dedicated solo offlaners are op as shit at shitty brackets


4.5k have 68 percent winrate with lone druid exclusively as solo offlane.... solo offlaners CRUSH people
Flash Fan!
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
August 09 2014 05:13 GMT
#122093
Mostly people don't realise they have to zone out/punish the solo-offlaner until it's too late.
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 05:18:04
August 09 2014 05:17 GMT
#122094
On August 09 2014 12:37 Acritter wrote:
And a trilane won't particularly help with that, because players lack the coordination to be able to kill the 2 from level 1 onwards and the experience deficit will get really painful really quickly. The formula of "strong pair of heroes" is simply strong in that format regardless of whether or not there's a jungler


In my experience, having one trilane support who knows what they're doing is good enough to win the lane against a dual the vast majority of the time at 2k MMR. And by 'win', I mean all three trilane heroes end up with more experience than either dual lane hero.

trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 09 2014 05:19 GMT
#122095
On August 09 2014 09:39 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 09:38 trinxified wrote:
On August 09 2014 09:37 makmeatt wrote:
Midas -> brown boots owns.


Hmmm.. I might just do this for the faster Necro3.

I was kidding dude, midas sucks on prophet.


So what then?
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
August 09 2014 05:22 GMT
#122096
Upgrade boots before getting midas so you can teleport to help your team more effectively.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 06:56:25
August 09 2014 06:30 GMT
#122097
I go naked boots eul for LSA setup when i'm winning. The problem is i don't have the chance to play a losing game. Lina's OP like fuck in lane with her 10k range + wave spam + runes.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
August 09 2014 07:24 GMT
#122098
"fucking universe never dies man .. look at him"

- arteezy to universe batrider

lol
this is a quote
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 09 2014 07:30 GMT
#122099


Slahser is doing pretty cool guides on youtube. This is his safelane critshaker. He goes boots, basi, blink, treads, armlet, crits. Also his voice is just so calming it's kind of weirding me out. :D
super gg
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 09 2014 07:51 GMT
#122100
On August 09 2014 16:30 cecek wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1728G4LdNkU

Slahser is doing pretty cool guides on youtube. This is his safelane critshaker. He goes boots, basi, blink, treads, armlet, crits. Also his voice is just so calming it's kind of weirding me out. :D


I'm going to try this now!
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