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Vatican City State1872 Posts
8 creeps spawn per minute
a siege creep spaws at 3:00 and another spaws after every 7th spawn
83 creeps total or something
avg melee creep is 44goldx 60quantity= 2640
avg ranged creep is 48gold x 20quantity = 960
avg siege creep is 73gold x 3quantity = 219
passive gold gain = 1000
starting gold = 625
5444 avg networth in a perfect world.
I think a decent mid will have 50 cs at 10 minutes which is ~60% of 83
soooooo multiplying 50 avg cs by 60% of the total income received from perfect cs on creeps + starting gold and + passive gold gain we arrive at a respectable net worth of a mid @ 10 minutes of 3916.4
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Teeeeechnically melee creeps average 43 gold but whatever
also i bet u got wildikins and not 5 consecutive mud golem spawns if so then ur luckier than me
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
im almost 100% positive i will back up my previous statement that chen enigma axe and ursa can all have over 3916.4 networth at 10 minutes.
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Great i can have over 3916.4 netwroth at 10 mins on any hero in mid vs no opposition ur point?
Also 10 mins is too long to be relevant laning stage is over at min 8 really, and every half-decent mid is farming more than just his lane at that stage.
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On August 09 2014 06:20 CrownRoyal wrote:
also the creep spawns u get as chen are mostly irrelevant as long as a wildkin spawns at some point.
Dire side double mud golem spawn says no....
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
On August 09 2014 06:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Great i can have over 3916.4 netwroth at 10 mins on any hero in mid vs no opposition ur point?
Also 10 mins is too long to be relevant laning stage is over at min 8 really, and every half-decent mid is farming more than just his lane at that stage.
maybe you should re-read the last few pages of the thread where people said they cannot compete.
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
On August 09 2014 06:52 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 06:20 CrownRoyal wrote:
also the creep spawns u get as chen are mostly irrelevant as long as a wildkin spawns at some point. Dire side double mud golem spawn says no....
i think double mud golem spawn is probably 2nd best to double satyrs on dire chen.
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The point is you can't really compare "completely uncontested unwarded unleeched optimized jungle for 10 minutes" to "questionable presumably contested cs in lane and literally nothing else for 10 minutes"
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
the difference is a jungler can do that every game whereas a mid cannot ever get every last hit without the game being already over.
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jungling isnt necessarily safer then laning.
there are quite a few bountyhunters out there that will just dedicate themselves to making your life hell.
vulnerable to smoke ganks, a lucky rune for your opponents, etc. I dont think the numbers on uncontested farm are too valuable.
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Ganking jungling lifestealers is always great. There's a few timings where they're at like 200 hp and if you're bounty hunter or a smoked support with a stun it's typically an easy kill.
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On August 09 2014 07:11 PassiveAce wrote:
jungling isnt necessarily safer then laning.
there are quite a few bountyhunters out there that will just dedicate themselves to making your life hell.
vulnerable to smoke ganks, a lucky rune for your opponents, etc. I dont think the numbers on uncontested farm are too valuable.
This is why you should only ever jungle Necrophos. 100% HP all the time.
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Can I just say that people who jungle on a non-ganking jungler make me want to kill myself? That shit is so infuriating it is unreal.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
with a little awareness jungle is safe as laning
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On August 09 2014 07:04 CrownRoyal wrote:
the difference is a jungler can do that every game whereas a mid cannot ever get every last hit without the game being already over.
Assuming someone doesnt decide to murder your ass because you are way easier to kill than other heroes in lane, because hey, no tower.
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On August 09 2014 06:22 Seraphic wrote:
LC is not a good junlger, or a fast one.
In the morning when Sunsfan and Synd was shooting their A-Z challenge. They had a LC Jungling... 8 minutes in LEVEL 3 W/ GLOVES OF HASTE
Needless to say the LC was useless until they lost the game. Just wait until the game comes up and you'll see. I hate seeing LC jungling. It's such wasted potential for her.
LC jungle used to be a lot faster, I believe. The double proc bug sped it up significantly. I remember when she was first added to DOTA2, even front page games had her going into jungle. It worked well, too, because she was able to get a fast Blink and start pressuring enemy heroes very quickly.
I think the jungle crowd are mostly stuck remembering those days.
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mm m m m mmm more new skins o yes
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On August 09 2014 07:52 Targe wrote:
with a little awareness jungle is safe as laning
No it's not, it weakens your lanes and sets you up for massive failure. It allows the offlane much more exp than he would normally get, and it gives the opposing supports (if they have 2) the opportunity to roam and camp your mid. Jungling almost never works out in pubs because pubs are won almost exclusively from the laning phase. If you have a good laning phase, you win your pubs a good portion of the time (I'd wager anywhere from 70-80%). This isn't like competitive play where people are smart enough to farm the jungle and dodge fights as a team; what will end up happening is that you're jungling and dodging fights, but your team gets caught, or tries to take bad fights 4v5, etc.
There needs to be serious changes to how denying/exp/neutrals work before jungling becomes viable again. Before, it used to be viable to just jungle because you'd outexp/outgold the opposing supports so badly that it would be worth it to sacrafice some laning power. Now with changes to smoke, exp, shared gold, etc. you can get way more gold as a support player, making a jungler that much less viable in pub play. You rarely see junglers even ganking junglers like Chen/Enchant/Enigma for this very reason now adays in competitive play. For whatever reason, people just haven't figured out that it's terrible for pubs.
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bro
bro
what if each team has a jungler
bro
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On August 09 2014 08:03 FinestHour wrote:
bro
bro
what if each team has a jungler
bro
That's called League
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EPT
