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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2014 20:31 GMT
#122021
The worst part about people who jungle carrys (that are not Doom,) is that they become completely dumbfounded when people come to kill them or a fight breaks out in the jungle. They literally have no idea what to do because all they know is that they should be right clicking creeps all day.

Still, I will take someone who is bad in the jungle and a solo lane over an idiot in lane that just fucks up my farm.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 08 2014 20:31 GMT
#122022
Dooms pretty ass in the jungle too tho imo
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 20:33:21
August 08 2014 20:32 GMT
#122023
On August 09 2014 05:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
95% of lanes with an LC in them are half decent that hero's op

oh i was talking about jungling with any hero who can manage jungle but should lane

doom jungle is the worst imo
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 08 2014 20:34 GMT
#122024
Okay but most bad junglers are pretty decent laners since if they were ass laners they wouldn't have ways to interact "well" with the jungle.
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misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3317 Posts
August 08 2014 20:35 GMT
#122025
On August 09 2014 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's like 1 hero in the game who farms faster in jungle than in a half-decent lane.

If ur jungle isn't disrupted its cuz ur opponents are unaware of certain basic dota principles (highly likely considering u jugnling an lc/naix/etc means ur prolly also unaware)

Just 1? Enigma? Chen? Ench? NP?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 20:36:35
August 08 2014 20:35 GMT
#122026
Lets just say it, Doom is the worst. He is a mega creep with one good spell and the ability to farm quickly after he gets like 2000 gold worth of items and a bunch of levels. Can't wait till pros stop picking him.
On August 09 2014 05:35 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's like 1 hero in the game who farms faster in jungle than in a half-decent lane.

If ur jungle isn't disrupted its cuz ur opponents are unaware of certain basic dota principles (highly likely considering u jugnling an lc/naix/etc means ur prolly also unaware)

Just 1? Enigma? Chen? Ench? NP?

Enigma can farm faster than mid if he gets his roll on. The rest are slightly/way slower than mid.
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schmitty9800
Profile Joined August 2010
United States390 Posts
August 08 2014 20:38 GMT
#122027
On August 09 2014 02:58 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2014 11:21 miicah wrote:
What are the tournaments you guys watch the most? For example to watch lol I can tune into OGN every wed/fri or LCS over the weekend. Is there anything like that for dota or is it all big tournaments?


there is no LCS equivalent in DOTA 2. Dota 2 generally runs 6-8 week leagues (dreamleague, joindota, dota2champions, d2l, etc) that offer a similar feel of a regular season->playoffs->lan finals. Aside from some of these staple leagues, Dota mostly has big 1-off tournaments every month or so. Right now, you'll be hard pressed to find any sort of consistent competitive content because Ti4 just ended. Generally there is a 2ish month delay until all the leagues/tournaments and even teams stabilize to start the next run up to ti5.


There's still plenty of stuff to watch, albeit at a semi-pro level. Beyond the Summit seem to be on a break but Joindota has their league going on.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3317 Posts
August 08 2014 20:43 GMT
#122028
On August 09 2014 05:35 Plansix wrote:
Lets just say it, Doom is the worst. He is a mega creep with one good spell and the ability to farm quickly after he gets like 2000 gold worth of items and a bunch of levels. Can't wait till pros stop picking him.
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 05:35 misirlou wrote:
On August 09 2014 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's like 1 hero in the game who farms faster in jungle than in a half-decent lane.

If ur jungle isn't disrupted its cuz ur opponents are unaware of certain basic dota principles (highly likely considering u jugnling an lc/naix/etc means ur prolly also unaware)

Just 1? Enigma? Chen? Ench? NP?

Enigma can farm faster than mid if he gets his roll on. The rest are slightly/way slower than mid.


But the point wasn't that they farm faster than their laners. Was if they farm faster in woods than in lane, and neither of those (NP disputable) do. And those were the ones I got from the top of my head and im also not that experienced to know more/if those are actually right.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
August 08 2014 20:44 GMT
#122029
removing all other aspects from the game besides jungling I am quite positive chen axe enigma and ursa can take more from the jungle than being in mid lane.

this is all relative to time though, the longer the duration of the game the more and more obvious this becomes.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 08 2014 20:47 GMT
#122030
On August 09 2014 05:44 CrownRoyal wrote:
removing all other aspects from the game besides jungling I am quite positive chen axe enigma and ursa can take more from the jungle than being in mid lane.

this is all relative to time though, the longer the duration of the game the more and more obvious this becomes.

Well ur batting .250 at best.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
August 08 2014 20:47 GMT
#122031
On August 09 2014 05:35 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's like 1 hero in the game who farms faster in jungle than in a half-decent lane.

If ur jungle isn't disrupted its cuz ur opponents are unaware of certain basic dota principles (highly likely considering u jugnling an lc/naix/etc means ur prolly also unaware)

Just 1? Enigma? Chen? Ench? NP?


NP much slower, wasted in jungle. Enigma is faster and can gank easily.

Chen/ench are ganker/pushers and not farmers in jungle. They are often pretty slow due to that.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2014 20:49 GMT
#122032
On August 09 2014 05:43 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2014 05:35 Plansix wrote:
Lets just say it, Doom is the worst. He is a mega creep with one good spell and the ability to farm quickly after he gets like 2000 gold worth of items and a bunch of levels. Can't wait till pros stop picking him.
On August 09 2014 05:35 misirlou wrote:
On August 09 2014 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's like 1 hero in the game who farms faster in jungle than in a half-decent lane.

If ur jungle isn't disrupted its cuz ur opponents are unaware of certain basic dota principles (highly likely considering u jugnling an lc/naix/etc means ur prolly also unaware)

Just 1? Enigma? Chen? Ench? NP?

Enigma can farm faster than mid if he gets his roll on. The rest are slightly/way slower than mid.


But the point wasn't that they farm faster than their laners. Was if they farm faster in woods than in lane, and neither of those (NP disputable) do. And those were the ones I got from the top of my head and im also not that experienced to know more/if those are actually right.

As far as I know(and all my information is coming from pros talking about in on stream and Merlini), Enigma is the only one that can keep up with farming in lane. The rest farm slower than if they were in lane. Its why jungling is so trash, unless you get something like dope creeps or their abilities, because anyone who can jungle would do better in lane.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 08 2014 20:56 GMT
#122033
The reason Chen and Ench are good in the jungle isn't because they farm faster in jungle than lane, but rather because they add farm to your team at very little cost since they lend an unreasonable amount of strength to your lanes from inside the jungle, and because they aren't really farm heavy heroes (okay ench CAN use farm). CM was much the same pre-nerfs and other meta changes.

They still farm slower in jungle than in lane assuming a non-nightmare aka farmable lane.
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r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
August 08 2014 21:00 GMT
#122034
chen can farm really fast if you get the right creeps, or really slow if not so much
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CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 21:21:50
August 08 2014 21:19 GMT
#122035
just hit 3900 networth at 10 minutes as chen on my second attempt with a few minor errors, can probably hit 4100 without those errors, im sure if i did this for a few hours i can optimize it beyond that.

perfect cs mid is something like 4500 net worth at 10 minutes so.

5:30ish lvl 6 which is respectable, enigma is like 4:30 very consistently with safe strats and can be sub 4 with optimal spawns and more risky routes.

(i'm a nerd and played jungle in hon where things like this were relevant)
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CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 21:26:27
August 08 2014 21:20 GMT
#122036
also the creep spawns u get as chen are mostly irrelevant as long as a wildkin spawns at some point.
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Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
August 08 2014 21:22 GMT
#122037
LC is not a good junlger, or a fast one.

In the morning when Sunsfan and Synd was shooting their A-Z challenge. They had a LC Jungling... 8 minutes in LEVEL 3 W/ GLOVES OF HASTE

Needless to say the LC was useless until they lost the game. Just wait until the game comes up and you'll see. I hate seeing LC jungling. It's such wasted potential for her.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 08 2014 21:22 GMT
#122038
In 10 minutes spawn like 84 creep, that alone is more than 4500 gold.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
August 08 2014 21:28 GMT
#122039
On August 09 2014 06:22 Yoshi- wrote:
In 10 minutes spawn like 84 creep, that alone is more than 4500 gold.


I think your statement here is wrong. What average per creep are you calculating? 4500 is 53 gold per creep.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-08 21:30:08
August 08 2014 21:29 GMT
#122040
Ur discounting catapults but also discounting how long it takes for creeps to run to lane.

Also creeps are worth like 40g per on average I think
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