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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 24 2014 15:10 GMT
#119461
On July 24 2014 23:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 23:02 cecek wrote:
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
I don't think we can clearly say that Dota has been "disgustingly profitable" over its life time. I think after TI1 and TI2 the game was likely a loss leader to get people to install steam. TI3 is the clear turning point for Dota when the money started to come in like crazy and they figured out the workshop/chest stuff. Profitability takes a long time and people would be shocked at the costs of even creating a single hero in dota(from man hours on animation, art, sounds, effects).

But no company outside of maybe Nintendo has the unlimited cash reserves to just iterate on a product as endlessly as Valve has. Which makes it great that they love Doto as much as we do.

Well, Valve released TF 2 numbers that showed that the game was making a ton of money. And Dota 2 is in a different league in regards to the amount of people who play the game, but with the same business model.


Agreed and I think that is one of the main reasons why Valve got into Dota 2. Also, just from what I know from following video games for so long, I doubt TF2 brings in huge profits for Valve. For the same amount of money that they spend on TF2, they could likely make a boxed product that would be more profitable. But since TF2 is a gateway to steam and earns them a lot of good will with the consumers, it makes sense for them to support it. But only because of steam and the profits they get from steam.

People often forget when Valve announced they were making Dota 2 that it was meet was a large amount of skepticism from a lot of outside press and community. It was only due to Valves very smart handling of the game that made it the success we know today. But they are the only company that can release a game with over 100 heroes and say “its all free, unless you want sweet hats, which we give away anyways”.

Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


Don't forget history! TF2 WAS a boxed product (Orange Box and standalone). It didn't start out as F2P.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 24 2014 15:12 GMT
#119462
On July 24 2014 20:04 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 15:07 NB wrote:
ROOTgaming new team went 0-2 vs Pokebunny's team(Hulk Hota)
https://cevo.com/event/dota2/match/28992/

http://dotabuff.com/matches/793955568
http://dotabuff.com/matches/794025273

Thoughts?


Hmm, either HH got a lot better since the LPCL, or ROOT is a complete joke.

Probably both. The last LPCL was quite a while ago and I think Pokebunny's team has stayed active since then, and well ROOT is uh.. ROOT.
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sabreace
Profile Joined May 2012
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 15:17:39
July 24 2014 15:17 GMT
#119463
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


http://www.hirezstudios.com/smite
>Relax you're doing fine.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 24 2014 15:20 GMT
#119464
On July 25 2014 00:17 sabreace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


http://www.hirezstudios.com/smite

Man I love the female designs of all these heroes. Its like QoP for every hero.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 24 2014 15:23 GMT
#119465
On July 25 2014 00:20 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:17 sabreace wrote:
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


http://www.hirezstudios.com/smite

Man I love the female designs of all these heroes. Its like QoP for every hero.

pls stop objectifying women
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 15:24 GMT
#119466
On July 25 2014 00:17 sabreace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


http://www.hirezstudios.com/smite


See, you are not using your imagination enough. The dream is that Oculus rift, the crazy 3D face mask thing, will show a dota game as if it was a table top game, with the heroes moving around like little action figures and your head is the camera. Its one of those cool ideas, like hover boards, what is in the super future we live in.
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Meser87
Profile Joined April 2011
United States476 Posts
July 24 2014 15:29 GMT
#119467
On July 25 2014 00:24 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:17 sabreace wrote:
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


http://www.hirezstudios.com/smite


See, you are not using your imagination enough. The dream is that Oculus rift, the crazy 3D face mask thing, will show a dota game as if it was a table top game, with the heroes moving around like little action figures and your head is the camera. Its one of those cool ideas, like hover boards, what is in the super future we live in.


IF this ever becomes a real thing I would be giddy.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 15:34:56
July 24 2014 15:34 GMT
#119468
I wonder how dota-viable the oculus rift will be without mods etc. I'll have to try it when my friend gets his developer kit 2 or w/e its called.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 24 2014 15:48 GMT
#119469
There was an article a couple weeks ago that said Valve is experimenting with Dota 2 virtual reality mode with their VR headset they're developing. I was hoping they were going to show off a prototype at TI, but no such luck. =/

source
super gg
sabreace
Profile Joined May 2012
United States27 Posts
July 24 2014 16:07 GMT
#119470
On July 25 2014 00:24 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:17 sabreace wrote:
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.


http://www.hirezstudios.com/smite


See, you are not using your imagination enough. The dream is that Oculus rift, the crazy 3D face mask thing, will show a dota game as if it was a table top game, with the heroes moving around like little action figures and your head is the camera. Its one of those cool ideas, like hover boards, what is in the super future we live in.


Does sound better - but the dream almost exists. Once they code smite to work in 3D.

Looking at Rosh would be cool as hell in VR.
>Relax you're doing fine.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 24 2014 16:25 GMT
#119471
i dont think anything of the game like smite, dota or LoL could work with VR from a game play perspective. The turn rate and height and movement shake are huge part of VR, one number goes slightly wrong and you send your users into movement sickness.

Porting 3D stuff into 2 monitors isnt hard, whats hard is to make the experience realistically so human brain could endure as 'reality'. A good example would be rocket jumping in games like quake or TF2. Simple set of moves from a normal PC game play but using VR it fuck with your brain. From the turn rate(look down to shoot rocket->lookup -> return to aiming) to the acceleration and travel speed to the 'brain expectation' of impact event(your brain has expectation of what the physic would do when you land)...

If Valve develope some sort of Augmented Reality device so we could watch DotA on a chessboard/tabletop setting it would be cool. Like this http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/GryGuy3-ZIg/maxresdefault.jpg. But such device would takes at least 22 years of hardware development before its entering the consumer market so may be DotA2:Episode2
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wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
July 24 2014 16:25 GMT
#119472
I'm prolly puking with Oculus Rift playing doto.... that realistic doe
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misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
July 24 2014 17:08 GMT
#119473
I can't see dota being played on a Rift (atleast not in First person view) but I can see it being spectated in one
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
July 24 2014 17:30 GMT
#119474
i dont get why you would ever want rift to play or observe dota
dota is kinda like a board game whats the point
u gotta farm
Snerd
Profile Joined October 2013
United States125 Posts
July 24 2014 17:36 GMT
#119475
On July 24 2014 15:07 NB wrote:
ROOTgaming new team went 0-2 vs Pokebunny's team(Hulk Hota)
https://cevo.com/event/dota2/match/28992/

http://dotabuff.com/matches/793955568
http://dotabuff.com/matches/794025273

Thoughts?

Hardly Pokebunny's team imo. HH's captain, Hotaruz is actually a really smart guy about dota and is an excellent drafter. And I don't think anyone would disagree that HH won solely because of their draft.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 17:36 GMT
#119476
On July 25 2014 02:30 Ru ba wrote:
i dont get why you would ever want rift to play or observe dota
dota is kinda like a board game whats the point

Making cool tech you haven't seen before. Also, if you haven't used an rift, its sort of an amazing experience and having your head be the camera in the game is a very novel idea.

Also PPD pulling in those viewers being the only Dota man doing dota after the big dota event.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 24 2014 17:41 GMT
#119477
On July 25 2014 02:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 02:30 Ru ba wrote:
i dont get why you would ever want rift to play or observe dota
dota is kinda like a board game whats the point

Making cool tech you haven't seen before. Also, if you haven't used an rift, its sort of an amazing experience and having your head be the camera in the game is a very novel idea.

Also PPD pulling in those viewers being the only Dota man doing dota after the big dota event.

RTZ streamed last night.

But jesus im bored now
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Snerd
Profile Joined October 2013
United States125 Posts
July 24 2014 17:44 GMT
#119478
On July 25 2014 02:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 02:30 Ru ba wrote:
i dont get why you would ever want rift to play or observe dota
dota is kinda like a board game whats the point

Making cool tech you haven't seen before. Also, if you haven't used an rift, its sort of an amazing experience and having your head be the camera in the game is a very novel idea.

Also PPD pulling in those viewers being the only Dota man doing dota after the big dota event.

I bet there could be some cool way to spectate Dota with a rift.
神の手
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
July 24 2014 17:46 GMT
#119479
People are taking turns streaming the game. The conspiracy was all planned at TI where it was decided so everybody can get those big viewer numbers while taking advantage of the post-International drought.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 24 2014 17:58 GMT
#119480
On July 25 2014 02:41 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 02:36 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2014 02:30 Ru ba wrote:
i dont get why you would ever want rift to play or observe dota
dota is kinda like a board game whats the point

Making cool tech you haven't seen before. Also, if you haven't used an rift, its sort of an amazing experience and having your head be the camera in the game is a very novel idea.

Also PPD pulling in those viewers being the only Dota man doing dota after the big dota event.

RTZ streamed last night.

But jesus im bored now

i actually forgot how much i missed his streams
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