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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 24 2014 19:12 GMT
#119501
On July 25 2014 04:09 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 03:47 Ru ba wrote:
theres a huge reason not to do it
because you are melee and usually the lowest lvl out of everyone,unless your farm shaker yea

consider the following

1. Fissure scales terribly with level +.25 sec stun, +50 damage, + 15 mana every level
2. The Damage on early enchant totem is actually incredible, in the early/-mid it chunks about 1/4th-1/3rd of a heros health
3. totem is more mana effecient damage, and with aftershock more effecient stuns
4. Aftershock maxed + level 1 fissure is only like, 50 less damage than maxed fissure, and .25 less stun (in the radius of aftershock ofc)
5. Enchant totem max is also good for pushing
6. If you snowball you transition into critshaker anyways because yolo

The only important point is #6.

Disregard all other advice.
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Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
July 24 2014 19:16 GMT
#119502
why hasnt valve put the secret shop 2014 online yet wtf
我是冠军
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 24 2014 19:24 GMT
#119503
ur forgetting that fissure is like 1400 range and the rest is like 140 range
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 24 2014 19:29 GMT
#119504
On July 25 2014 03:18 Yoshi- wrote:
Literally or Figuratively ?

literally recorded it in her closet apparently
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
July 24 2014 19:33 GMT
#119505
On July 24 2014 17:25 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 17:19 ChunderBoy wrote:
wait a min, who the hell is in Root?

Too hard to open that dotabuff link in the above post?

The players are Lykus, Tolera, Tubbythefat, FlyingZebra, UrboyJC.

Yes, very laughable.

what i meant is, who are any of them.
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 19:43 GMT
#119506
Tubbythefat is an old SC2 player that I remember playing in MLG a few times. I remember because I secretly hoped he would make it onto the main stage so the casters would have to say his name over and over.

Other great names from the open bracket: Fart Slime.

On July 25 2014 04:29 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 03:18 Yoshi- wrote:
Literally or Figuratively ?

literally recorded it in her closet apparently


Fun fact: most of the dialogue from Super Giant's Bastion was recorded in a closet. Also, the voice actor used to read the D&D monster manual to warm up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
July 24 2014 19:45 GMT
#119507
How does one get off a cliff without enough money for a TP scroll?
<3
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 24 2014 19:46 GMT
#119508
On July 25 2014 04:45 dravernor wrote:
How does one get off a cliff without enough money for a TP scroll?

force staff, have someone give you a tp, rage quit.
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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 19:51:03
July 24 2014 19:47 GMT
#119509
On July 25 2014 04:09 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 03:47 Ru ba wrote:
theres a huge reason not to do it
because you are melee and usually the lowest lvl out of everyone,unless your farm shaker yea

consider the following

1. Fissure scales terribly with level +.25 sec stun, +50 damage, + 15 mana every level
2. The Damage on early enchant totem is actually incredible, in the early/-mid it chunks about 1/4th-1/3rd of a heros health
3. totem is more mana effecient damage, and with aftershock more effecient stuns
4. Aftershock maxed + level 1 fissure is only like, 50 less damage than maxed fissure, and .25 less stun (in the radius of aftershock ofc)
5. Enchant totem max is also good for pushing
6. If you snowball you transition into critshaker anyways because yolo

you dont get it,the problem is not that the ability isnt good its that you cant walk up to someone and hit them because you will die
unless you get to farm a quick blink somewhere you can't just walk up to people and right click them,unless they are stupid or you are roflstomping anyway
so no,maxing totem regardless of the situation is not good
the only reasonable argument i can think off to max it is if you can somehow jungle with it,not that i tried anyway
u gotta farm
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 24 2014 19:55 GMT
#119510
doesnt MKB work on PL?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
July 24 2014 19:58 GMT
#119511
Illusions get the true strike if that's what you mean.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 19:58 GMT
#119512
On July 25 2014 04:47 Ru ba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 04:09 Shaella wrote:
On July 25 2014 03:47 Ru ba wrote:
theres a huge reason not to do it
because you are melee and usually the lowest lvl out of everyone,unless your farm shaker yea

consider the following

1. Fissure scales terribly with level +.25 sec stun, +50 damage, + 15 mana every level
2. The Damage on early enchant totem is actually incredible, in the early/-mid it chunks about 1/4th-1/3rd of a heros health
3. totem is more mana effecient damage, and with aftershock more effecient stuns
4. Aftershock maxed + level 1 fissure is only like, 50 less damage than maxed fissure, and .25 less stun (in the radius of aftershock ofc)
5. Enchant totem max is also good for pushing
6. If you snowball you transition into critshaker anyways because yolo

you dont get it,the problem is not that the ability isnt good its that you cant walk up to someone and hit them because you will die
unless you get to farm a quick blink somewhere you can't just walk up to people and right click them,unless they are stupid or you are roflstomping anyway
so no,maxing totem regardless of the situation is not good
the only reasonable argument i can think off to max it is if you can somehow jungle with it,not that i tried anyway

Why do you hate fun? Crit shaker is the trench pub build you do when you are fucking around with your friends in pubs. And you get shadow blade so you can walk next to them, stun, crit, fissure and then your team mate finishes them off.

Its not "good" in the traditional sense. But its so GOOOOOOOD.

Also pairs well with Tusk for amazing combo breakers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 24 2014 20:01 GMT
#119513
On July 25 2014 04:58 GentleDrill wrote:
Illusions get the true strike if that's what you mean.


and the damage

this pugna seems to disagee
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 24 2014 20:04 GMT
#119514
On July 25 2014 05:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 04:58 GentleDrill wrote:
Illusions get the true strike if that's what you mean.


and the damage

this pugna seems to disagee

no they don't get the damage or the proc effect
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 20:04:32
July 24 2014 20:04 GMT
#119515
On July 25 2014 05:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 04:58 GentleDrill wrote:
Illusions get the true strike if that's what you mean.


and the damage

this pugna seems to disagee

?

They dont get the damage dude. Just the truestrike.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 20:06:13
July 24 2014 20:05 GMT
#119516
Ok, I guess it is the same for daedalus too

so is there better than daedalus/mkb late-game pl (after Butterfly and Manta/Heart) or is that it?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 20:06:12
July 24 2014 20:05 GMT
#119517
To clarify, it displays the damage so that you can't tell by selecting the unit and looking at its dmg if its an illusion or not. But they don't actually gain any damage whatsoever.

Daedalus is the same only you do get crits which makes it the most damaging 6th slot usually (except vs buildings).

All things that say "+ dmg" don't work with illusions.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
July 24 2014 20:06 GMT
#119518
They should get the damage. I'd rapier PL all day long.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
July 24 2014 20:06 GMT
#119519
On July 25 2014 05:05 Torte de Lini wrote:
Ok, is it the same for daedalus too?

The illusions get the benefit of the Crit proc (multiplies the damage of the illusion as you might expect), but not the +81 damage of Daedalus
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 24 2014 20:07 GMT
#119520
PL wants travs manta heart bfly diffusal daed usually. Sub out daed for skadi/2nd heart/e-blade/whatever floats ur boat really
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